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SX Stingray

Man people are getting all riled up over this aren't they? I think people just need to accept the fact that good products WILL be copied. It's not just guitars and basses, it's Rolex watches, Oakley sunglasses, and a zillion other products out there in the world. Is there really any argument that the knock offs are as good as the real thing? Maybe in low end Fenders/Squires, but you don't see a real knockoff company with product lines that directly compete in the price ranges of the real ones, because nobody would buy them. The SX vs MIM thing is one argument, that's mainly Fender's fault for their QC. SX does not have a line that competes with MIA Fenders, at all. The Brice basses might be about as good but they're not Fender copies, and are much more expensive.

Let's face it, if MM wanted no copies to be ever made they would require OLP to be held to a higher standard than they do. The same goes for Fender and everyone else. They market the name and don't seem to care if their lower line is crap. Personally I would buy an SX over an OLP, as many others here seem to be doing right now. SX quality, from what I see, has been consistent. Fit and finish issues aside, they use pretty good pieces of wood! That alone is probably the main reason they're so popular, because you can fix the hardware, electronics, etc and make your own "Warmoth" type bass for hundreds less. Is it gonna be as good? Probably not, but for what it costs it can't be beat. My SX is only original in the body now, but I have less than $300 in it overall and it has the best parts possible in it. That's barely what I can get a used MIM Fender for and there's not much of a comparison there, in body resonance alone.

I think people say SX is a POS because they're expecting $1000 basses for $150 and it's just not happening. The body wood is good, the hardware and electronics are "acceptable", and the fit and finish is hit or miss sometimes, but most seem to be pretty good as of late.

The point is, if SX can make a competing product and charge half as much as the OLP, then OLP is the one in the wrong for allowing that to happen. I doubt anyone is gonna come in here and say their SX MM is better than a EBMM Stringray, and if they do I think they're crazy. SX is competition for OLP, nothing more.
 
bovinehost said:
I didn't really expect a lot of agreement, so I'm not surprised.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to say and you either agree that it's dishonest or you don't.

Later.

Jack

About a month ago I decided to try a 5-string and started doing research to identify a playable cheapo. OLP's immediatly got my attention because of price, natural finish, and maple fretboard. When I learned that OLP stands for Oficially Licensed Product [of EBMM] I was psyched:hyper: ! Surely an established company wouldn't want to make itself look bad. When I began reading all the references to OLP's QC problems I was disappointed,:rollno: almost offended. IMHO, it's dishonest, or at least deceptive, for a company to trade on it's good reputation by distributing so many instruments that were essentially unplayable out of the box.
Meanwhile, my research on SX basses revealed few QC issues, so I bought one. The fact that it's an SR "type" makes no difference to me at all, I'll be happy if it's competent and playable :bassist: .
I guess the honesty issue ultimately comes down to concrete legal details: patent, trademark, coyright infringement, and I'm sure the manufacturers will sort that out legally.
 
EBMM sued Dr. Z Amps over an amp called "the stingray"- of course, named after the car/automobile, like all of his other amps.

Frankly, EBMM can shove whatever claim to fairness they had where the sun don't shine.

Because I'm *SURE* a guitar amp based on voxes and developed with Brad Paisley used the name "Stingray" to capitalize on EBMM's investment.

total B$.
 
sueing SX for making this bass is like sueing any company for using a humbucker based off the MM design. this is ridiculous. take off the pickguard and it'll look like any other bass. it's no big deal, imo. the first time a new MM "copy" comes out people are all over it, but no one cares about Fender copies anymore.

and, for the record, SX isn't a "POS" company. don't believe me? go stroll on over to the SX megathread and read 323 pages of pure SX goodness. you can't get much better for that price, my friend.

i'd still like to hear some reviews about this bass :) .
 
g00eY said:
sueing SX for making this bass is like sueing any company for using a humbucker based off the MM design. this is ridiculous. take off the pickguard and it'll look like any other bass. it's no big deal, imo. the first time a new MM "copy" comes out people are all over it, but no one cares about Fender copies anymore.

I agree, but what makes it more rediculous is that ths is not the first MM knockoff. There have been MM copies (Jay Turser, Dillion, Arbor) for a long time.
 
and, for the record, SX isn't a "POS" company. don't believe me? go stroll on over to the SX megathread and read 323 pages of pure SX goodness. you can't get much better for that price, my friend.

Arguing with people who think the SX is a good instrument is where I draw the line.

As I said, you either think it's an honest business practice or you don't. Play on, brothers, even if it's on a cheap, sleazy POS, that's what I say.

Jack
 
bovinehost said:
Arguing with people who think the SX is a good instrument is where I draw the line.

As I said, you either think it's an honest business practice or you don't. Play on, brothers, even if it's on a cheap, sleazy POS, that's what I say.

Jack

SX basses can be just fine instruments with some work. If you don't believe that then don't buy one, it leaves more for those of us who don't need $1000 basses to play decently. I'm not defined by the gear I use, I play my SX as much or more than my Fender (4x the price) because frankly, it does the job better. I don't care if the bass costs $5, if it does what I need than I'll play it. Is my SX as good as a $1000 EBMM? For my purposes right now it is, that's why I don't have an EBMM yet. Is it built with as much attention to detail? Absolutely not! But playing in smokey bars and at nightclubs hardly requires the end-all of basses. As long as the thing plays well I'm happy with a cheapo that I won't worry about losing or having someone steal.
 
Bovine has a good point.

Remember that part of the difference in price between an SX and an OLP is whatever OLP has to pay EBMM for the right to build a Stingray copy.

SX is not paying anything to build a close, but not exact (as has been noted by others) copy of a Stingray.

I am not an attorney, but would guess that whether or not EBMM will sue will depend on: the cost of bringing a case versus the loss to EBMM (and if the OLP fees are impacted that strikes me to be a loss) as well as the chances of prevailing in court which probably depends on how well the original patents and trademarks are defined, how different the SX copy is, and how diligent EBMM has been in defending its patents and trademarks in the past.
 
I can forgive a company like SX for making a POS (if thats what it is) version of a well-known and very good bass, but not the original company doing the same thing.

"You can't make a POS version of our instrument, because no one will buy our POS version!"

Huh?