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#41
gumtown said:
The patch sysx data file build is at 2648 bytes in size, so that is about over 2200 adjustable parameters inside the box for the 3 synths, effects and pedal controls.
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SysEx data is relatively big on any synth. My concern (aside from Note On/Off) was that it doesn't support outbound Start, Stop, and Continue messages, nor Song Position/Song Select. To be fair though, very very few guitar synths (including my Midibase) have supported those messages, so you'll still be looking at some other outboard gear to control sequencers and such unless you go to the trouble of somehow mapping controllers to the other messages. I'm also probably unfairly comparing the SY's implementation to that of dedicated keyboard controllers, most of which support the aforementioned message types and all of the CC messages across their entire range of allowed values.

The main drawback for me is not supporting basic Note On/Off messages, but t looks like the device was designed to be essentially a high-end stomp box with limited MIDI functionality rather than a full-blown MIDI controller, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.
 
#42
It's basically based on a polyphonic analog synth, so there is no midi note data in or out, no song loading or complicated sequencing, just a 16 step seq x 3.

Here are the controls for one of the OSC Synths
SY-300FloorBoard_OSC1.png
 
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#44
The polyphony from a standard 1/4" jack is amazing but mostly the SY-300 seems to do the typical filter/distortion sounds of many synth pedals, rather than so much on the punchy sounds, or maybe that's just the demos.
 
#47
NoiseNinja said:
Never been a big fan of the kind of sterile digital sound, unless you really make a point out of using it, and not try to emulate analog equipment badly and sort of end up sitting between two chairs.
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Well it's all wobbling of the air. There are some great digital sounds and some horrible farting analogue sounds (my least favourite bit of late 70s/early 80s Rush albums). I used to have a Kawai K4 which was digital but had some thunderous sounds available (I regret selling it but it was big and weighed a ton so a pain for gigs).
 
#48
gastric said:
Any portamento / legato support?
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As long as your bass/playing supports it.
The synth uses your instrument tone as the synth osc generator (3 oscillators per string), so as long as you can slide, bend, sustain any notes, the synth will follow glitch free.

-Asdfgh- said:
ok.. the sweetwater review was much better!
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I agree ..

-Asdfgh- said:
The polyphony from a standard 1/4" jack is amazing but mostly the SY-300 seems to do the typical filter/distortion sounds of many synth pedals, rather than so much on the punchy sounds, or maybe that's just the demos.
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Most of the demos I have seen are shred fest based, the early ones seem as though no one knows how to tweak a synth.
I can see this pedal is going to replace my GR-55, which I have used for the last 4 years, I am a bit bored with regular PCM synth tones, and look forward to manipulating basic waveforms, filters, modulation, LFO's and effects into some grooving bass tones. into.
The midi conversion latency (or what ever they use), and mis-triggering on the lower bass register is the real choke factor with the GR-55 PCM synths.
The SY-300 does not suffer this problem
 
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#49
I had a G5 when they came out and liked some of the sounds but ultimately sold it. I keep a Behringer vamp around just for the synth sounds although the power supply is on the blink, but it works well with midi patch switching.

But a new old toy is on its way with pitch to midi on a per string basis so I will have to see how that works with both my old Proteus 2000 and NI Absynth and the like. I should report back to the community.
 
#50
The Sweetwater drmo certainly showed some more interesting and usable sounds, both pads and lead. Some more with meaty Moog or TB303 sounds would be interesting. Not that I have spare cash for one given all the other things I have. I suppose the specs will reveal what effects and routing it has but I can't see much need to put anything in front of it bar a compressor.
 
#51
seems like there is a slight lag in latency. unless the sound is out of sinc with every video on this i have seen. also the patches all have lots of reverb or delay. had to tell actual note picking to sound reproduction.

its a small grip but would get annoying if you are going from other pedals to this back and forth. tracking looks to be acceptable.

very excited to see this box when it does come out.
 
#52
I need to check the videos in more depth to determine if triggering of sounds is on each string pluck, or if (like a slow gear) this doesn't work. And I am curious about if it does allow individual triggering how it unscrambles the individual strings. If it's doing polyphonic pitch detection I can see that as a source for latency. I've played with the Sonuus G2M (bought it right before they announced the B2M) and that isn't so bad as you have to play from C or above for it to detect anything so the sensible approach is to play an octave up then pitch the synth down, so latency is reduced. You just might run out of neck in that scenario so a 5 string strung E to C might be an option, if not ideal, or a 6 string, allowing you to cover the whole 5 string range when not using synth sounds, or if only using traditional filter/distortion options from pedals when using lower notes.
 
#53
Gumtown- I've been researching into this pedal fairly heavily, but not as heavily as you. Do you know if the OSC waveforms can be manipulated much? I haven't found anything on this- but it seems odd that there's no saw-up/saw-down, no particular ways to alter the shape of the waves themselves in what is otherwise such a deep pedal.
 
#59
ryansalmond said:
Gumtown- I've been researching into this pedal fairly heavily, but not as heavily as you. Do you know if the OSC waveforms can be manipulated much? I haven't found anything on this- but it seems odd that there's no saw-up/saw-down, no particular ways to alter the shape of the waves themselves in what is otherwise such a deep pedal.
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There is a saw-up and a 2 detuned oscillator saw-up (takes up one oscillator slot), and I think a dedicated filter per oscillator. Then, I think up to 4 effects total. Effects can operate on one, two, or all oscillators but I think the total limit is 4 effects. So for example you could put chorus on 2 of the oscillators, delay on one of the oscillators, then reverb and auto-swell on all three oscillators, for example.

I don't think there is a saw-down oscillator, and there is a limited amount of control on the wave forms but I think it gets pretty deep for what it is.

The Canadian parameters manual is here: Invalid Link Removed
 

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