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Double Bass TAG Caving and Bass Playing.

So I've become a sport caver (spelunker) these past two years, and I've since stepped down from my bass playing career. Tight and horizontal, vertical and deep, high water and free climbing waterfalls flowing like freight trains, and every combination thereof, I do it all. I love it. I still play bass for personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I just don't want to do it for money anymore. Being a welder is a lot of fun and makes a heck of a lot more money.

I've decided to share my playing with the world in a very unique way. Playing inside of caves. When I lived in Colorado, I got to play inside Canopy Hall, in Cave of the Winds, a show cave. It sounded amazing in there, but all I had to do was walk my bass through the gift shop and through a door and I was in. I moved to TAG (the TN, AL, and GA region) about a year ago. TAG is known in the caving world as the cave mecca of the United States. Tennessee alone is known as "The Land of 10,000 Caves," yet there are easily upwards of 20,000 and counting. I think officially there are around 15,000 known caves, 99.99% of them being wild caves. The ground is karst as hell out here, IE it resembles swiss cheese beneath the surface with lots of underground water drainage.

So anyway, in August of 2019 I rappelled my second TAG pit. It's called Valhalla, and it earns that name. People have died in this pit from just user error with their gear to freak accidents like a giant rock falling off the wall and crushing two men hiding under it waiting for the rest of their buddies to drop to the bottom. It's huge down there, it's like the most impressive cathedral you'd ever see. The erosive power of falling water is quite evident. The acoustics are amazing. I made it a mission to play at the bottom of the pit.

A year later, this past August. I did just that. There wasn't much video at all and I didn't plan for that, I just wanted to see if it was worth it and recording it wouldn't have done the space any justice. It was really a proof of concept, and man was it awesome. I have some pictures, though, and a few videos of volunteer cavers getting ready to lower it and raising it out. I was too awe struck at watching it be hauled out I forgot to get a video of that, five people yanking on the rope and it was up in under 30 seconds.

To get to Valhalla you have to drive the most washed out, gnarly off road trail I have ever driven down (Requires a lifted 4x4 vehicle for sure, your Subaru could NOT make it, I have a 2001 Tacoma that's lifted with 33 inch tires I daily drive). Then you hike about 5 minutes up a mountain and you come to the pit. The pit is actually a 230 foot vertical entrance, there's about 5.5 miles of cave at the bottom and counting, 2.5 miles of which is currently mapped. This is somewhere in Alabama.

The entrance to Valhalla, 230 feet down is where I played. There's no way down or out except a rope, and for 227 feet of the rappel you are freehanging away from the walls. It's a beautiful rappel and quite the breathtaking climb:
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It being lowered:
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Here's me playing at the bottom:
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A selfie I took (I'm bad at these):
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Top side after all was said and done with my dog, who was a very happy girl when I climbed out:
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Lowering (Don't mind my dog crying, she always cries at the top when she watches me drop a pit until I climb myself out):




What someone got of them raising it:




It was a great experience. It sounded awesome at the bottom, the people who remained topside got to hear it, too. The space loved the sound of the bass.

And cavers are a really interesting bunch of people. Give us a challenge like this and we will work for free and provide the gear and ropes to get it done because we love to show off and use our rigging skills every chance we get. We will beg each other all the time to rescue each other. We're too safe and not enough people get themselves into trouble for us to bust out hundreds of dollars worth of rescue rope and pulleys often enough and we have to justify the purchases.

And yes, I am in the works right now planning another performance in a different pit. This next one is only 162 feet deep, but the acoustics in it are even better. I'll be working with a local cave conservancy organization as promotional material for them and to help bring more awareness to cave conservation in general. Caves are immensely important to the ecosystem. I figured this is the best way I can use my masters that is fulfilling to me.
 
BAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAA$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you rap'd down. Did you have to jumar up to get out with the bass? That is a long way with ascenders; 'reminds me of some of the routes I did in Yosemite back in the day.

I've taken my instruments to Mt. Everest, down the Grand Canyon, & to places far beyond all over the world. How can I get an invite to the next one of those gigs? I'm just a couple hours drive from you....
 
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This is unbelievably cool! That picture of you bowing the bass in the pit is so awesome! If I could ever do something like that and get a pic of it then it would be my avatar pic forever.

I take the family frequently to Natural Bridge Caverns in New Braunfels, TX and I’ve always wondered how amazing it would sound to record in some of the gallery rooms. The acoustics are amazing down there!
 
Multiple thumbs up to the OP!


... and then you stood at the top and thought: "Well, if somebody would have told me it was an outdoor gig, I would've brought the ply and not my nice carved bass. It's not leaving the bag. Everybody: forget about it..."



Never!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've always taken my absolute best instruments with me all over the world. I've never once been in an amazing place and though, "$#@%...I sure wish I would have brought my POS instrument and not my favorite one for what may wind up being my last day on the planet...".......!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAA$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you rap'd down. Did you have to jumar up to get out with the bass? That is a long way with ascenders; 'reminds me of some of the routes I did in Yosemite back in the day.

I've taken my instruments to Mt. Everest, down the Grand Canyon, & to places far beyond all over the world. How can I get an invite to the next one of those gigs? I'm just a couple hours drive from you....

That's cool. I'll not go too deep into vertical caving gear. Jumars were actually adapted by Fernand Petzl (a French machinist, who actually became the first person to descend over 1000 meters underground) when a caver took a jumar, a new piece of technology at the time, to him and asked Petzl to make one adapted for the rigors of caving. We use ascending systems with cammed ascenders based off the jumar still to this day to move up and down rope, and we use single rope technique (SRT). In America, specifically the TAG region, we use one long rope typically for drops and it's called indestructible rope technique. Some ascending systems allow you to walk up the rope with a bicycle pedaling motion, some you cycle between sitting and standing. Which system you use is up to preference and your body. Top heavy cavers tend to use the rope-walker, where someone slender like me who can easily sit comfortably in their harness without having to attach my chest to the rope to remain upright, uses something like the frog, a sit-stand system.

The bass was lowered and raised on the end of the rope running through a pulley that was pulled out over the center of the pit. A group of guys handled it, and they did a superb job. Rope was rigged to the D-rings on the Mooridian case and a figure-8 on a bight was tied in the right place to run the rope up through the webbing handle at the top of the case covering the scroll to allow the instrument to steadily hang upright. Cavers love to show off their rigging skills, so it wasn't hard getting people to help with this. I really did nothing but announce to the caving community what I was doing and people were on board immediately.

I plan to do my next performance in a different pit sometime this December. There will be a video shot for the Southeastern Cave Conservancy, inc (SCCi), an organization I love that deals with the conservation of many caves. If anyone would like to come, I am not charging any kind of fee, but a donation to SCCi would be greatly appreciated as you will be granted access on land and to a vertical cave they control. I am a supporting member, and I sometimes volunteer with them (cleaning up water sources that spill into caves, leading school trips into caves, and now performing for a promotional video for them). It will be down in Alabama, again, on one of their cave preserves. For me it's just an hour's drive. Private message me and I'll try and give you the pertinent information, as I will not publicly reveal that.
 
Hey @Cyoder, very cool! I used to be a fairly active caver, and have dropped pits in your neck of the woods (e.g., Ellison's), as well as in other parts of the world. It's been a long time now though--IIRC, the last pit I dropped was near Langtry, TX during the NSS Convention in 1994. I never thought to bring my bass on any of those outings, though!
 
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Hey @Lee Moses , Ellison's is not the type of cave I'd drag my bass through, but that's awesome! I feel like I've heard someone drop your name before in the caving community out here, definitely not anything bad, but you might know some of the old timers I cave with sometimes. I learned to cave in Crawlorado, so moving out to TAG I discovered the joys of vertical caving for the first time over a year ago. The first time I dropped Valhalla, something about the acoustics just made me want to drop my bass down to the bottom of it. I'm planning to play in a TAG classic I assume you've definitely bounced. I'll give you a hint as to which one: rare ferns and glow worms.
 
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Hey @Lee Moses , Ellison's is not the type of cave I'd drag my bass through, but that's awesome! I feel like I've heard someone drop your name before in the caving community out here, definitely not anything bad, but you might know some of the old timers I cave with sometimes. I learned to cave in Crawlorado, so moving out to TAG I discovered the joys of vertical caving for the first time over a year ago. The first time I dropped Valhalla, something about the acoustics just made me want to drop my bass down to the bottom of it. I'm planning to play in a TAG classic I assume you've definitely bounced. I'll give you a hint as to which one: rare ferns and glow worms.

In all likelihood, it was my father's name you heard dropped. He's been very involved in the caving community since the '60's/early '70's. He's still involved in a couple of cave mapping projects, although his involvement is done mostly at the surface these days.

Something about your hint sounds vaguely familiar, but I wouldn't guarantee it's a cave/pit I've done. I'm sure Dad would know.

Keep us posted on your speleological exploits!