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TC Electronic RH450 vs BH500

im wondering is there anything different in these two amps besides the casing and a few of the extra features on the RH450 ? Is it the exact same amplification and signal path ? Seems like they both have the same compressor and tubetone features and same wattage..

Has anyone tried both heads into either an RS210 or BC210 cabinets and have any info they could share ?
 
I know this is an old thread, but had a real shocking experience today in that it was not i expected! :eek: needed to share and compelled me to become a member of this great forum i always keep an eye on! ;)

Been gigging around for years with a h'n'k bk300 and will never get rid - has never let me down and i love it, always get great comments about my sounds, but i feel recently lacks the headroom required in larger rooms with no large pa support. So i did some research!

Have always been drawn to ashdown abm amps and played a few, but had never heard of tc electronic bass amps, only effects and studio stuff, until 2 weeks ago.

So...., went to a shop near london to try both the rh450 and bh500 with a comparison between the bc and rs cab range. I really wanted to be walking out of there with the rh450 and a rs210 and 212 set, but only had bc and rh410s in, but wow!! I think i have fallen in love!!!

To the point, they do seem to make great gear for the price, and i am likely to purchase very shortly as i was hugely impressed, but not the rh???? I am so confused!

I combined both heads and both cabs, and even found a bc212 for good measure, and loved the clarity of tone in the rs range with adjustable tweeter control on the back of the cab. Kept switching cab and tops and was getting lost with which one i was using, and thought i am going to buy this beast as it sounds so much better than the bh...... It was the bh i was playing :confused:

I think the extra fuctionality on the rh450 is very good and rate the semi parametric eq, the inclusion of an fx loop ect, but the fixed centres on bh500 make it a force to reckon with!! I also tested at volume and the bh seemed to hold its tone much better as i increased the volume with the rs410. My experience with th rh450 was that you can dial in any tone, but found that with increase in volume came some mid drive accompanied with a lack of transparency and clarity that was achieved below master set to 5.

I was convinced there must be something wrong with it in the power stage or something as everyone seems to rate the rh450 very highly, but felt that the bh had the edge at volume?

Has anyone else experienced this, as i still want to love the rh450 for its extra functionality, i am convinced i must have been doing something wrong. We are talking smallish margins here, and is always very much down to personal taste too, but please let me know your thoughts as i would much appreciate some user experiences from people who have used both of these heads. Could it be a sub quality head?

Many thanks for any thoughts guys!
 
I was convinced there must be something wrong with it in the power stage or something as everyone seems to rate the rh450 very highly, but felt that the bh had the edge at volume?

Never heard a BH, but I remember seeing another post where someone said they found it to be louder.

One possibility is that there is a preset level control in the shift menu, and that may have been dialed back without you being aware of it. It's also possible that the BH500 is louder than the RH450.
 
I would go back to the music store and check the rh450 for 2 things. 1 in shift mode is the preset volume turned up to 3/4 or more? Also is the gain set to just below clipping?

In my experience with my rh450 and rs210 and rs 212 it kind of runs out of steam around 5-6 on the master volume which has been plenty of volume for most medium to small gigs. Larger gigs I always have pa support. Last fall I did an outdoor gig and brought the full monte, 2 rs 210s' and rs 212. This caused the amp to run @ aprox 2.68 ohms and that was painfully loud. Several people asked me to turn it down as I was drowning out the rest of the band!:hyper: I've been gigging theTC gear for almost 4 yrs now, with no problems or regrets.
 
Cheers for the replies guys! V quick! ;)

Regarding settings, both set flat on eq's with about 10 o'clock spectra comp. It wasn't really that the bh was noticably louder, but something changed on th rh above about 1 o'clock on the master, like an amp thats limiting bass to give more amplitude of signal, funny enough same as what my combo does but at greater volume. Did take bh to max, no farting and made me eyeballs shake!

Still think i need to go back and get one out of the box just to check. Semi para eq is a must for me, i am a fiddler! Although with rs410, adjusting q for bass low and treble high takes it out of the capability of the cab a little. Couldn't find tweeter tone either on the rh on the shift? Is that just a bh function?

Also are the rs212 & 210 cabs rear ported like the bc cabs or just front?

Sorry for all the q's, but happy owners are selling it to me! Thanks again for the info!!
 
Cheers for the replies guys! V quick! ;)

Regarding settings, both set flat on eq's with about 10 o'clock spectra comp. It wasn't really that the bh was noticably louder, but something changed on th rh above about 1 o'clock on the master, like an amp thats limiting bass to give more amplitude of signal, funny enough same as what my combo does but at greater volume. Did take bh to max, no farting and made me eyeballs shake!

Still think i need to go back and get one out of the box just to check. Semi para eq is a must for me, i am a fiddler! Although with rs410, adjusting q for bass low and treble high takes it out of the capability of the cab a little. Couldn't find tweeter tone either on the rh on the shift? Is that just a bh function?

Also are the rs212 & 210 cabs rear ported like the bc cabs or just front?

Sorry for all the q's, but happy owners are selling it to me! Thanks again for the info!!

I would say you are hearing correctly because of the way the active power management works. They say they are trying to emulate how a tube amp behaves when pushed to the limit. i.e. Distorting and compressing the lows and highs.
It has a 450 what power module but it caps at 236 watts. Not sure why they have a more powerful module the the limiter will let out but I assume it is so there is no way you can be driving the power amp hard. Equalling less likely to fail due to being always well within the power modules headroom

I have been gigging mine for a few years and have only been up to that kind of volume twice.
If you are in a situation where you need to be that loud you should have a PA coz no one is going to hear much of the drums over the bass :) and if you do have PA support and are running through a PA via the di it bi passes the active power management so it won't change out the front.
 
Thanks for the feedback arai! Really appreciate it ;)

Admittedy, it is mighty loud before these effects take place!! Just an observation really between the 2 heads, what cab do you generally use with it? I was using 1 rs410, hughely impressive sound quality against the bc410, but would probably end up with a 212 & 210 if not for the large extra cost, just need to check dimensions in the car with PA ect!
 
No worries. Yeah that is getting very loud. Sometimes I use two old EV 15s. But mostly I use one or two Aguilar DB1x12 depending on the situation, one for rehearsals and small gigs and two for everything else.
 
Cheers again arai!

Gonna go back and try them again, I'm definately sold on tc, but just hit a realisation......

You can't vertically stack rs cabs with th bh500 due to the simple fact of geometry!! Too damn wide!!

Also the 210 & 212 is rear ported rather than front ported which no doubt will make a difference to the sonic qualities compared to the 410 i tried, and really liked btw.

Still feel like I'll be missing the rh450 if i dont get it. Also, 2 cabs means zero inches width left in the boot of the car! LOL

I think cab covers would push me over the edge! :D