Just for that I'm going to point out that you should have put an apostrophe in "names" thus: "name's." It's a contraction of "name is." So PLPLPLPLPL ...
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TC just got bought....
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Big Hoss
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No lame excuses. Next you'll be claiming your dog ate your homework.
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I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking, or why you're not believing me, but yes. The x32 has preamps based on a Midas design. And the effects are by Klark - teknik.
So instead of stealing other companies' designs, they buy the company.
They still steal other designs as well.
Yes, I'm not a behringer employee or advocate, I swear! They even steal the product literature. Find and replace "onyx" with "xenyx" in Microsoft word...
My point was that tc did not suddenly go under or suffer in quality because they have new ownership. And the x32 line is very innovative and every Soundman I know who uses one loves it, while new Midas products still come out and older ones remain in production.
I recently attended a my nephew's gospel quartet concert and was blown away by their P.A. system. After the concert, I asked them what equipment they were using. This was a 1000 seat venue, standing room only, and they were using Myer 12" powered mains and and 18" powered subs with a Behringer/Midas mixer.
Edit: I'm fairly sure it was this mixer.
Behringer X32 Compact-TP | Sweetwater.com
Edit: This is the system in a different venue. Obviously, that is their mixer in the lower left. Zoom in and you can see the Myer cabinets at each end of the stage.
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Edit: I'm fairly sure it was this mixer.
Behringer X32 Compact-TP | Sweetwater.com
Edit: This is the system in a different venue. Obviously, that is their mixer in the lower left. Zoom in and you can see the Myer cabinets at each end of the stage.
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I think Behringer could very well stop making crap soon enough.... As much as everyone likes to hate on ART they never screwed me on a pre, and to be honest, the only behringer product I've tried and didn't love was their FB1010 but that was personal preference and the fact that it wasn't playing nicely with LoopyHD on my iPad (through a behringer iPad dock) at the time. Maybe loopy has gotten better, but I didn't keep that gear.
But in a market where companies like TC have to compete with JOYO? Must be tough being a millionaire... Then again, we, as consumers of their tools (or toys, for some of us), are better off for them staying strong. TC has never been a sellout type of company, so there must be some mutual gain in that deal.
That said, I still can't afford TC stuff, and I'll get the JOYO. (wonder when Joyo will start making programmable pedals like tone print
)
But in a market where companies like TC have to compete with JOYO? Must be tough being a millionaire... Then again, we, as consumers of their tools (or toys, for some of us), are better off for them staying strong. TC has never been a sellout type of company, so there must be some mutual gain in that deal.
That said, I still can't afford TC stuff, and I'll get the JOYO. (wonder when Joyo will start making programmable pedals like tone print
)Sorry, I'm a little cranky today, studying for a social work licensing exam. Didn't mean to sound defensive. I've heard it stated in many reviews of the mixers, but I suppose that the information could have come from behringer to the reviewers. So am I 100% certain that they used Midas designs? No, but it does make sense. That does not mean, however, that they use Midas preamps, just the design, which would be consistent with their business model- copy a design and build it with lower quality parts. Except in this case they own the company it was copied from.
As I said though, I'm not a behringer advocate apologist, etc. I just found it funny that suddenly there was an impression that existing tc gear was suddenly better or worse. So my point was, behringer bought Midas but Midas does not seem to have suffered from the acquisition, purely based on the fact that I haven't heard or read anything negative about Midas in relation to their ownership. In fact, Midas' new live board seems to have good comments.
As in all situations, time will tell. No matter what behringer does though, I think they will never shake their reputation. Maybe that's why amps are being branded under the bugera name?
Why bother buying them when they could just copy their tech for free like they've done with every other product they've ever made?
TC makes some "sing harmony with yourself" pedal that's popular with the acoustic singer/songwriter guys around here. You run both your guitar and your vocal mic through it so it can analyse the chords to pick the right harmony pitch. Seems to work alright for such a contraption. Still sounds like synthesized, fake harmony, but better than expected and certainly good enough for some dude in a coffeeshop pushing his CD's on his friends.
I've got some B#@/\(*& stuff picked up used for cheap. It "sorta works most of the time". If you need 12 channels buy 16 'cause you'll lose some along the way.
I wouldn't buy any new product of theirs and certainly wouldn't trust any of it in a real professional situation.
So again, why did they buy this company when they could've just stolen their designs, cheaped them out, and had them built by child/slave/serf labor like they've always done?
TC makes some "sing harmony with yourself" pedal that's popular with the acoustic singer/songwriter guys around here. You run both your guitar and your vocal mic through it so it can analyse the chords to pick the right harmony pitch. Seems to work alright for such a contraption. Still sounds like synthesized, fake harmony, but better than expected and certainly good enough for some dude in a coffeeshop pushing his CD's on his friends.
I've got some B#@/\(*& stuff picked up used for cheap. It "sorta works most of the time". If you need 12 channels buy 16 'cause you'll lose some along the way.
I wouldn't buy any new product of theirs and certainly wouldn't trust any of it in a real professional situation.
So again, why did they buy this company when they could've just stolen their designs, cheaped them out, and had them built by child/slave/serf labor like they've always done?
I've been assuming this since I first saw the Bugera name, I think it's a safe assumption.
I agree with this sentiment - their umbrella corp might be ok these days, but I'm not going to buy one of their audio interfaces any time soon. Let someone else be the guinea pig. Though with MIDAS who knows. I hear that Behringer is more accepted as a brand in europe than in the US but I could be mistaken. Could have been just the things I happen to read on forums that lead me to that conclusion.
Maybe they realized after driving their brand value into the ground that it's NOT a great business model if you want to exist long-term? I mean, JOYO is doing ok, but you won't be able to buy a newly manufactured JOYO pedal 10 years from now, surely?!
I understand you’re probably being facetious here (maybe not), but they get the brand, which has considerable value given many of the comments here. Owning TC would allow the Behringer parent company to reach customers who would not otherwise touch a Behringer product. From a business perspective, this looks to be a smart move — something like VW buying Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley. From a musician’s point of view, maybe not so much.
I'm sorry, but on TB, it's completely OK to bash TC because THEY LIED® (say Watt?!). And Behringer, well...
...but thank you for resurrecting this almost 6 month-dead thread so more people can chime in.
Hate to break this to you, but that has been going on since electronics became commonplace and not just music electronics, anything that can be, will be reversed engineered, that is common.
TC increased their warranty from 1 year to 3 year, and use the Music Group service centers.
Good for TC owners. I wonder if it's retro active for previous purchased gear?
And this will help push other manufacturers to up their warranties
Good for TC owners. I wonder if it's retro active for previous purchased gear?
And this will help push other manufacturers to up their warranties
That is true, but other companies aren't so blatant about it and try to make them look similar as well.
