^^^ About the sustain, I would want both a compressed, sustaining tone and a shortish decay tone for 808 style bass and certain envelope filter sounds. Theres a wide variety of bass tones in the dubstep/ dnb genre and oftentimes the bass tone will change throughout the song. Usually effects give you crazy peaks especially with resonant filters and fuzzes, so some compression is desirable.
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That Dubstep Wobbbbbbbbble.
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Yeah the autowah preset set with a gate and to with time set to 'note' will give you that varied oscillation per note. Higher notes oscillate faster than lower notes.
Hi I'm pretty new to playing bass, I'm a drummer been playing 10+ years. I've always toyed around playing bass at rehearsals and jam nights to the point that my bassist in my hip-hop/funk band has started to use my right hand technique.
I am now starting a project where I am going to be playing bass. It's going to be a thrashy, dirty, shouty, punk/dubstep/jungle-esqu thing with just me on bass and vocals, and a friend on drums, maybe use some samples and loops.
I've read through this thread and a few others and watched hours worth of stuff on youtube to try and figure out what set-up to get.
From what I understand to get that bass sound sound you need to start with a sound wave and run that through a LFO band pass filter. Which is how I've come to the following set-up idea...
I'm wondering if this configuration would work;
Boss SYB-5 w' exp ped [Converts signal to a wave sound] --> Electro-Harmonix Enigma w' exp ped [Run through the Band Pass Filter]--> Boss TR-2 [For a bit of extra movement] --> stereo out to a PA (rather than a typical bass amp) with a distortion/overdrive pedal on 1 of the channels [for sonic space element and filthyness]
I feel using a stereo PA would benefit as it would take up sonic space and having a channel distorted would also help. Plus with it primarily being just bass and drums having the bass produce to different tones would again help with sonic space.
Would this set-up work?
Are there any equivalent pedals but cheaper? - I've looked at the Behringer equivalents I am just unsure if they'e work the same.
I've read some of you are also DJs and wondered if you had any Speaker, Amp suggestions. I want a bass tone that you can feel in your chest. (as I'm sure we all do!)
Cheers in advance!
I am now starting a project where I am going to be playing bass. It's going to be a thrashy, dirty, shouty, punk/dubstep/jungle-esqu thing with just me on bass and vocals, and a friend on drums, maybe use some samples and loops.
I've read through this thread and a few others and watched hours worth of stuff on youtube to try and figure out what set-up to get.
From what I understand to get that bass sound sound you need to start with a sound wave and run that through a LFO band pass filter. Which is how I've come to the following set-up idea...
I'm wondering if this configuration would work;
Boss SYB-5 w' exp ped [Converts signal to a wave sound] --> Electro-Harmonix Enigma w' exp ped [Run through the Band Pass Filter]--> Boss TR-2 [For a bit of extra movement] --> stereo out to a PA (rather than a typical bass amp) with a distortion/overdrive pedal on 1 of the channels [for sonic space element and filthyness]
I feel using a stereo PA would benefit as it would take up sonic space and having a channel distorted would also help. Plus with it primarily being just bass and drums having the bass produce to different tones would again help with sonic space.
Would this set-up work?
Are there any equivalent pedals but cheaper? - I've looked at the Behringer equivalents I am just unsure if they'e work the same.
I've read some of you are also DJs and wondered if you had any Speaker, Amp suggestions. I want a bass tone that you can feel in your chest. (as I'm sure we all do!)
Cheers in advance!
I think you'd be better off without the Bandpass altogether with the setup you described-- the SYB-5 has a filter and will provide you the LFO's filter movement as well as the waveform-- the bandpass filter will just cut lows&highs essentially and gut your tone created by the SYB.
If you wanted to use an analog filter instead of the SYB-5's filter, then you would want a Lowpass filter-- the Enigma would work, you would just have to provide the LFO patched into its Expression input- With a lowpass, the filter modulation will allow all lows to pass and will be filtering out the highs mainly. The cheapest controllers (ie LFO source) I know of are the Robot Factory ModBox and CopilotFX Broadcast box.
If you wanted to use an analog filter instead of the SYB-5's filter, then you would want a Lowpass filter-- the Enigma would work, you would just have to provide the LFO patched into its Expression input- With a lowpass, the filter modulation will allow all lows to pass and will be filtering out the highs mainly. The cheapest controllers (ie LFO source) I know of are the Robot Factory ModBox and CopilotFX Broadcast box.
The Bandpass filter is within the Enigma, I didn't realise you could get them separately tbh.
*Stupid question time* What do you mean by patching a LFO filter into the Expression input? Would that be plugging a LFO filter pedal in instead of an expression pedal?
*Stupid question time* What do you mean by patching a LFO filter into the Expression input? Would that be plugging a LFO filter pedal in instead of an expression pedal?
hmm,try a line 6 filter modeller.trouser flapping in the wobble zone and the chix love it!i also have a boss syb an ibanez synth pedal too but nothing wobbles like the line 6.to be used in conjunction with an octaver and at least 15 inches of sub.
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From what I can find on youtube the line 6 pedal looks pretty cool, problem is the boss pedal is, realistically, already out of my price league atm, so the line 6 definitely is.
I feel alot of my tonality is going to come from my speaker/amp set-up, I feel building my own speaker cabs will be the cheapest way to do this. Thing is, being a drummer and a heavy hitter at that speakers, PAs and amps have never really had to crossed my mind. I need to figure out what speakers to get, what sort of parameters am I looking for? By this I mean I'll build the boxes just need to know what cones/tweets to get?
Btw, pdubya; your bands stuff is sick ;-)
I feel alot of my tonality is going to come from my speaker/amp set-up, I feel building my own speaker cabs will be the cheapest way to do this. Thing is, being a drummer and a heavy hitter at that speakers, PAs and amps have never really had to crossed my mind. I need to figure out what speakers to get, what sort of parameters am I looking for? By this I mean I'll build the boxes just need to know what cones/tweets to get?
Btw, pdubya; your bands stuff is sick ;-)
There are a lot of different approaches, half the fun(and frustration) lies within finding the means to get the sounds you want.
Ok so on the realisation that this is going to cost an absolute bomb i'm going to try and use ableton live suit 8 for my effects. So if anyone has any plugin suggestions I'd really appreciate them.
Cheers
Cheers
just to induce some g.a.s...
the wobble on bass guitar starts at 1:38
enjoy
, even though ill get flamed for posting this.
the wobble on bass guitar starts at 1:38
enjoy
, even though ill get flamed for posting this.If you're going after that dark drum and bass sound (ala Noisia, Phace, etc.), I'd really consider the fact that the beat-synced moving LFO's are possibly the most important aspect of it. You're not necessarily limited to digital gear to do that.
I've gone after the wobble in a couple of different ways and I've found the most cost effective method is to use an Electrix Filter Factory and any MIDI foot controller to sweep through tempo subdivisions (quarter, triplet, 8th, 16th, etc.). The Filter Factory looks kind of corny, and yes it's a rack unit, but it sounds awesome and is way more flexible than any pedal I've tried.
The best way I was able to do this was using the MAM Warp 9, but they're ridiculously hard to find and you'll likely have to sacrifice yourself to gastric for it. Another good option is to find a cheap used Novation Bass Station. It has an external input, full MIDI capabilities, and a killer filter section.
I've gone after the wobble in a couple of different ways and I've found the most cost effective method is to use an Electrix Filter Factory and any MIDI foot controller to sweep through tempo subdivisions (quarter, triplet, 8th, 16th, etc.). The Filter Factory looks kind of corny, and yes it's a rack unit, but it sounds awesome and is way more flexible than any pedal I've tried.
The best way I was able to do this was using the MAM Warp 9, but they're ridiculously hard to find and you'll likely have to sacrifice yourself to gastric for it. Another good option is to find a cheap used Novation Bass Station. It has an external input, full MIDI capabilities, and a killer filter section.
im in a dubstep/dance project. line6 fm4, line6 mm4, oc3, and some dirt with an rv2 get really good results. and then my dj gets the rest of the wobble! its really not hard to come close with the right collection of pedals. just fill up a board and experiment
For proper wobble sounds, one wants at least one LFO with key sync; ( even better if it has a swing option.) BPM sync, phase adjustment and polarity to route to the Filter.
A dual filter with serial/parallel options can be a great asset. Two or more oscillators - one for the sub octave and another for the top end harmonics; ( complex wavetable and Freq. mod.) Ability to switch between wave types ( square, triangle, etc.)
Basically, any way one can modulate the filter cutoff with an LFO would work. Being able to separate the freq. bands to apply separate "effects" helps tons as well.
One aspect that seems to be overlooked is actually reproducing these sounds at high pressure levels; which IMO, is where the wobble bass really makes it impact. Were talking multiple subs with massive amounts of power.
I think jufros suggestions are spot on, and atm are prolly the most efficient route to take for approximating DubStep/D&B bass lines.
The only method that would be more efficient/economical, and authentic sounding would be, to use a soft/hard synth; which seems a daunting, or dare I say even a heretical proposition to many bassists.
A dual filter with serial/parallel options can be a great asset. Two or more oscillators - one for the sub octave and another for the top end harmonics; ( complex wavetable and Freq. mod.) Ability to switch between wave types ( square, triangle, etc.)
Basically, any way one can modulate the filter cutoff with an LFO would work. Being able to separate the freq. bands to apply separate "effects" helps tons as well.
One aspect that seems to be overlooked is actually reproducing these sounds at high pressure levels; which IMO, is where the wobble bass really makes it impact. Were talking multiple subs with massive amounts of power.
I think jufros suggestions are spot on, and atm are prolly the most efficient route to take for approximating DubStep/D&B bass lines.
The only method that would be more efficient/economical, and authentic sounding would be, to use a soft/hard synth; which seems a daunting, or dare I say even a heretical proposition to many bassists.
i don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but it seems to me that a powerful LFO/phase/feedback wobble device that is readily available hasn't been mentioned in this thread - the ehx Flanger Hoax
