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That's a first for me. Anyone else seen this?

I guess I was very lucky, back in the day we had a series of uber talented and responsible sub drummers including one from Donald Byrd and the blackbirds. It was the permanent ones that gave us trouble! We had one guy that was an okay drummer he just was a square peg in a round hole and just wasn't fitting in so we decided we had to let him go. We sat down after a gig with him and told him it just wasn't working out. He looked confused for a moment and said "why are you firing me? Why don't you fire John, or Adam"? Huh? We're not firing you because we have one too many people and you drew the short straw... Jeez that should have told him right there why!
 
Been there, done that. A lot.

When you have an unfamiliar player onstage who is sure his 'experience' makes him better than—or at least equal to— everybody else, you're gonna be working hard. And more often than not, that player is going to be getting some things waaay wrong.

Drummers really piss me off.
 
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Should've known this was coming, and maybe it's common and I've just been lucky enough to not have experienced it, but it spun my head and caused me to lose life-force.
For a year now I've been playing in my dream band - an original blues band with players who are not only top notch but are reliable and responsible too (!). I had commented to my wife that the gigs were so easy, I can just cruise - everyone knows their parts, no one needs cueing, the drummer doesn't rush etc. Bass player heaven.
Well, last Saturday night came my nightmare. Not only was it going to be a sub drummer, but also a sub guitarist - for a three piece band with lead vocalist, playing 70% originals for 3 sets. (!!) So even though it's not my band, it's the chick singer's music I'm just the bass player, I get both of our albums and a live recording of some of our covers to the drummer and guitarist, as it turns out we're not going to be able to have a rehearsal (!!!). Luckily the guitarist was somewhat familiar with the material, and had actually co-written and played on one song on the newer album, but I was still straightening him out on riffs 5 minutes before we're on.
The problem, and the crux of the story, was with the drummer. He could not have been less interested. He had obviously listened to nothing before hand, thinking he was so good he could just jam though it. Problem is, our stuff isn't straight ahead 12 bar blues - lots of blues styles, rhythms, changes, stops etc. It's time for downbeat and even though his kit's set up he's nowhere to be seen, so we start. He meanders up on stage about 3/4 through the first song and joins in. Same thing second set, he decides to order food just before time to go on, so we have to start the second set without him too while he finishes eating - and this is a popular downtown club full of people!
Now finally after all this rambling is the punch line. He's not paying attention as I'm trying to direct, misses almost every stop I try to cue, he totally gets a beat backwards and plays it that way all the way through a song, and then I look back during a song trying to cue him and he's TEXTING WHILE PLAYING!
Funniest thing was, after the gig, my wife asks me, "Was that guy supposed to be up there?".
Anyway, I guess God gave me my comeuppance after being so smug about how easy I've got it now. That was the hardest gig I've done in a couple of decades. Afterwards I felt like I had pushed a boulder up a mountain.

Why is it always the drummer? !!! :(
 
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I've played with several guitarists like that. They think they knew a song, even though they didn't listen to what was sent them so they didn't realize it was an entirely different take/version.

If 2 of 4 people in a band can't make the gig at time of scheduling, and it's mostly originals, maybe that's a gig you pass on in the future?
 
Should've known this was coming, and maybe it's common and I've just been lucky enough to not have experienced it, but it spun my head and caused me to lose life-force.
For a year now I've been playing in my dream band - an original blues band with players who are not only top notch but are reliable and responsible too (!). I had commented to my wife that the gigs were so easy, I can just cruise - everyone knows their parts, no one needs cueing, the drummer doesn't rush etc. Bass player heaven.
Well, last Saturday night came my nightmare. Not only was it going to be a sub drummer, but also a sub guitarist - for a three piece band with lead vocalist, playing 70% originals for 3 sets. (!!) So even though it's not my band, it's the chick singer's music I'm just the bass player, I get both of our albums and a live recording of some of our covers to the drummer and guitarist, as it turns out we're not going to be able to have a rehearsal (!!!). Luckily the guitarist was somewhat familiar with the material, and had actually co-written and played on one song on the newer album, but I was still straightening him out on riffs 5 minutes before we're on.
The problem, and the crux of the story, was with the drummer. He could not have been less interested. He had obviously listened to nothing before hand, thinking he was so good he could just jam though it. Problem is, our stuff isn't straight ahead 12 bar blues - lots of blues styles, rhythms, changes, stops etc. It's time for downbeat and even though his kit's set up he's nowhere to be seen, so we start. He meanders up on stage about 3/4 through the first song and joins in. Same thing second set, he decides to order food just before time to go on, so we have to start the second set without him too while he finishes eating - and this is a popular downtown club full of people!
Now finally after all this rambling is the punch line. He's not paying attention as I'm trying to direct, misses almost every stop I try to cue, he totally gets a beat backwards and plays it that way all the way through a song, and then I look back during a song trying to cue him and he's TEXTING WHILE PLAYING!
Funniest thing was, after the gig, my wife asks me, "Was that guy supposed to be up there?".
Anyway, I guess God gave me my comeuppance after being so smug about how easy I've got it now. That was the hardest gig I've done in a couple of decades. Afterwards I felt like I had pushed a boulder up a mountain.

did you get a recording of the show or - even better - some video? that would back up your refusal to play with that drummer as a sub again or with any drummer who doesn't come to a rehearsal at least somewhat familiar with the tunes.
 
Wow! I just went through drummer auditions recently and had to delete with huge like this on in a rehearsal room. Almost impossible to get through a single song, I can't imagin w whole live set!
 
Humans are not designed to multi-task.. yes we can be good at doing multiple things like playing bass (guitar) and singing at the same time, but much of that comes from lots of practice time.
Whenever one multi-tasks, which I do all the time in my day-job, it means the "other" tasks get a percentage of attention.. we single-thread everything.. just like a cpu. :)
Whenever someone on a conf call asks that the question be repeated... you know they were multi-tasking... I mean... not paying attention!!

I have a master's degree in Human Resource Development. During one of my courses we discussed multi-tasking and the myth that some people are good at it. I don't remember who wrote the study but the gist of it was that everyone sucks at multi-tasking, though women are slightly better at it than men, and that no one is good enough at it to consider it a strength on their resume/C.V.
 
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I have a master's degree in Human Resource Development. During one of my courses we discussed multi-tasking and the myth that some people are good at it. I don't remember who wrote the study but the gist of it was that everyone sucks at multi-tasking, though women are slightly better at it than men, and that no one is good enough at it to consider it a strength on their resume/C.V.
Whoever wrote that must have been a guy and never witnessed a mother with three or more kids at at a mall.
 

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