The 125 +/- Hz Cut

[lindseyp]

It's amazing how much low end you can push with clarity out of PA if...you just highpass the subs at 40-50hz. You don't loose a bit of the beef. The PA just stops sounding like that car that's shaking itself apart at the red light.

IMHO

THANK you, major pet peeve of mine for cars AND rooms!

 

[TimmyP]

It's amazing how much low end you can push with clarity out of PA if...you just highpass the subs at 40-50hz. You don't loose a bit of the beef. The PA just stops sounding like that car that's shaking itself apart at the red light.

IMHO

Next time, instead of killing all the fun frequencies, try notching out the 60-70-80Hz roar that's actually the problem.

 

[Zooberwerx]

There's still a lot of bass energy in the 125 hz so routinely notching it out is not recommended. This is a situation where para EQ's really shine. Set a fairly narrow bandwidth, boost by ~5dB, play some canned tracks (or play live!), and roll thru your frequencies. The really obnoxious stuff will jump right out, even to the untrained ear. You can even do the reverse: attenuate by ~5 dB and scroll thru. You'll find certain "sweet spots" where the highs, mids, and lows suddenly gain clarity and punch...an unmasking, so to speak.

Riis

 

[Steve]

Next time, instead of killing all the fun frequencies, try notching out the 60-70-80Hz roar that's actually the problem.

I find that 60-70-80 are the fun frequencies and the actual problem for me is in fact, the sub low crap that makes the fun frequencies muddy.

sub 50hz is for hip hop kick drum and movie theater explosions.

IMHO



Different strokes...

 

[jaywa]

Agreed... nothing more annoying than coming off stage and having someone say, "you know, I can feel the bass but I can't really hear the notes." I work hard to play precisely and with good articulation, and I expect that to get across in the mix. The bass note fundamental should be coming from the bass guitar, not the guitars or the keyboard. Like Entwistle famously said, "I want to hear the NOTE".

Not that you don't want to feel the bass either, but with the way P.A. cabinets and EQs have evolved, if you're paying good money for production there's really no excuse not to be getting both that nice round "thump" and a well defined bass note out to the house. If that's not happening you either need a better P.A., a better soundman, or both.

 

[TimmyP]

Agreed... nothing more annoying than coming off stage and having someone say, "you know, I can feel the bass but I can't really hear the notes." I work hard to play precisely and with good articulation, and I expect that to get across in the mix. The bass note fundamental should be coming from the bass guitar, not the guitars or the keyboard. Like Entwistle famously said, "I want to hear the NOTE".

Not that you don't want to feel the bass either, but with the way P.A. cabinets and EQs have evolved, if you're paying good money for production there's really no excuse not to be getting both that nice round "thump" and a well defined bass note out to the house. If that's not happening you either need a better P.A., a better soundman, or both.

In most PAs, when dipping 80, one is not removing the bass fundamentals (and harmonics), one is reducing them to the level at which they are supposed to be. Once this is done, one finds that everything else is gone until the subs are increased in level - a level that is now relatively flat, and even with the rest of the system (since the 80 roar was notched out). I have never encountered a system/room combination in which there was any need to cut anything below 50 - and most always if anything needs to be cut below 60, the cut is much narrower than can be accomplished by a 1/3 octave EQ.

 

[Demon_Hunter]

So the other day I was at two different shows, Rebelution a Reggae'ish band and Portugal the Man an alternative rock band.

Sorry to break into the conversation but I had heard about Portugal the Man on the Today show the other morning when they were talking about a missing guy in Germany. They, PtM, even have it on their website
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