The 410 + 115 rule?

[Ric5]

You have already been informed on the use of crossovers.

It is also important to note that the speakers used in a PA system are designed to be used specifically within a certain bandwidth. It is a huge difference over using two different full range cabs.

It is soo easy to ruffle people's feathers here ...

I'll say it again ... go ahead and mix cabs ... the world will not end ... I have been doing it since the 60s ...

 

[Ric5]

As someone else mentioned, PA's use crossovers.

Let us know how breaking the rule of gravity works for you.

Speaker design isn't "rules". It's physics and probability.
It's entirely possible that a 410 and 115 together can sound great. And if you have one and love it, rock on.
However, you can't say it sounds "better" than 2 of your 410's together (no 15) or 2 of your 15's (no 410s) unless you try both and compare.
It might be that the 410/115 sounds better to you.

All folks are saying here is that there is only a small *likelihood* a 410/115 setup sounding better than 2 of that same 410 or 2 of that same 15.
It is more likely (physics) that the "two of a kind" will sound better. It is *possible* that the mix will sound better.

I haven't seen many people arguing "mixed cabs are great" that have done A/B comparisons of mixed vs doubled identical cabs.
I HAVE seen a lot of folks here who HAVE done the side by side comparos say "the doubled identical cabs sounded much better than the mixed cabs."

Gravity is not a rule ... rules are made up when some people try to control others ... Actually gravity is made in a factory in Cleveland

 

[Ric5]

But they use crossovers. Something that your typical hatestack doesn't have.

Why do you hate my stack?

 

[Salicete]

My wife is a wine snob.

She poopoos any wine selection I make, providing mountains of facts and rules as to why my selection is wrong.

Unless it is poison or will make me sick, what does it really matter if I like it?

Amp combinations are much the same. Unless it is going to melt down and quit working, if you like the sound, use it and be happy. Don't let a well-informed amp snob curb your roll.

 

[cfsporn]

Why do you hate my stack?

It's a reference to how polarizing this topic is here on TalkBass. If you spent your money on something you like, who am I to say it's bad?

 

[ThisBass]

As someone else mentioned, PA's use crossovers.

Let us know how breaking the rule of gravity works for you.

Speaker design isn't "rules". It's physics and probability.
It's entirely possible that a 410 and 115 together can sound great. And if you have one and love it, rock on.
However, you can't say it sounds "better" than 2 of your 410's together (no 15) or 2 of your 15's (no 410s) unless you try both and compare.
It might be that the 410/115 sounds better to you.

All folks are saying here is that there is only a small *likelihood* a 410/115 setup sounding better than 2 of that same 410 or 2 of that same 15.
It is more likely (physics) that the "two of a kind" will sound better. It is *possible* that the mix will sound better.

I haven't seen many people arguing "mixed cabs are great" that have done A/B comparisons of mixed vs doubled identical cabs.
I HAVE seen a lot of folks here who HAVE done the side by side comparos say "the doubled identical cabs sounded much better than the mixed cabs."

If I was a convinced 410+115 guy then may be I would shut up cause I don't have to proove myself on TB. As I'm a convinced 212 player who also knows to cherish the advantage of a well sophisticated big rig like 410+115 so I think it's legal to consider pros and cons of mixing cabs. I like any combination of speakers as long as it sounds good to me.
If a big rig sounds good to me like my svt fridge can do it so why should I persuade oneself it can't be cause TB tells it can't be? To me that makes no sense!

 

[Ric5]

It's a reference to how polarizing this topic is here on TalkBass. If you spent your money on something you like, who am I to say it's bad?

I was joking ... pretty much all of my responses to this thread are intended to be sarcastic humor ... but it is not without purpose ... I want people to not just accept every thing that is said here as correct ... many times people believe and repeat things thinking they are true when they are not.

It is a safe bet to simply use 2 identical cabinets, but sometimes mixing cabs can yield good results. People here are too quick to shut down thinking outside the box.

 

[Downunderwonder]

Canard: n

1) Flightless turkey which quacks like a duck yet cannot swim.

2) The one about mixing cabs creating dead bass spots.

 

[alembicguy]

Don't tell anyone but my last gig was with a Mesa D800 running into a Hartke 4.5(410) and a 215XL Hartke all running at 2ohms and it slayed.
It didn't look good on paper but it sure melted faces!
I once again will say don't care what it is as long as it sounds good to you.
I would rock a empty box of Frootloops with a pickle in the bottom if it sounded good, but I'm sure someone on here will argue about what type of pickle sounds best in that setup.

 

[Thundar]

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I would rock a empty box of Frootloops with a pickle in the bottom if it sounded good, but I'm sure someone on here will argue about what type of pickle sounds best in that setup.

Stealing this for a signature! ROFL!

 

[B-string]

Don't tell anyone but my last gig was with a Mesa D800 running into a Hartke 4.5(410) and a 215XL Hartke all running at 2ohms and it slayed.
It didn't look good on paper but it sure melted faces!
I once again will say don't care what it is as long as it sounds good to you.
I would rock a empty box of Frootloops with a pickle in the bottom if it sounded good, but I'm sure someone on here will argue about what type of pickle sounds best in that setup.

You know it is coming......





What's the best pickle for Metal?

 

[alembicguy]

You know it is coming......





What's the best pickle for Metal?

Ha ha!!

 

[Fat Steve]

But they use crossovers. Something that your typical hatestack doesn't have.

Hatestack! Well played sir. That could be a last minute contender for TB Meme of the Year.

 

[alembicguy]

Stealing this for a signature! ROFL!

Hatestack! Well played sir. That could be a last minute contender for TB Meme of the Year.

I'm thinking of starting a line of bass amps and calling them
HateStacks

 

[walterw]

410 + 115 is like skinny ties. In one generation then out the next. Next generation back in style!

more like a mullet, a goofy mismatch born of ignorance that won't go away.

I just found this on a quick search.
It's a 400 watt cab.

it's also a long discontinued flop, you'll note.

... Some of the best ideas come when you break the rules ...

as do some of the stupidest ideas

All PA systems mix drivers ...

actually, NO good PA systems mix drivers! every driver is crossed over in its own frequency zone.

 

[Fat Steve]

I'm thinking of starting a line of bass amps and calling them
HateStacks

Best stack for metal?

 

[alaskaleftybass]

more like a mullet, a goofy mismatch born of ignorance that won't go away.

Maybe we're jealous because we don't have a mullet like THIS~!

 

[pie_man_25]

Best stack for metal?

I would totally play a hatestack, or maybe I'll buy up some beat up old Peavey/traynor cabs with metal grills, and just spraypaint "Hatestack" on them. I'll make sure to replace the stock drivers with drivers that have aluminum cones, and then put aluminum dustcaps on them for maximum clank, and of course what good is all of this without a tweeter horn in each cabinet? You know, just in case I start slapping.

 

[kesslari]

My wife is a wine snob...

Amp combinations are much the same. Unless it is going to melt down and quit working, if you like the sound, use it and be happy. Don't let a well-informed amp snob curb your roll.

Yes.
HOWEVER - most of the times this question comes up it's not in context of "I have a mixed setup, does it suck?" but rather "I'm going to buy speakers, what should I get?"
That's where the probability thing comes in.

 

[B-string]

More times "I have a 410 and I want to add a 115 for bottom".