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#21
Fortunately for me, Outlook is just another bad memory from my days in the office. It'll be better they said. It's just a system upgrade they said. Our email sucked from that day forward. Never worked right again. Completely counterintuitive.

I told someone on here the other day, since retirement I seldom even look at my personal email anymore. I check Talkbass every day, and two other discussion forums. Get on with my day... fixing guitars and drinking coffee professionally doesn't require much in the way of e-communication. 😎
 
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My biggest issue with the New/Classic Outlook is you have to really search around for the Include/Insert/Attach File function. In some cases, I just have to find the file in Explorer, and do a copy/paste into the email. Thanks for making it easy, Microsoft.
 
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I was able to dump Microsoft Outlook by switching to a web based user interface provided by my ISP. Log into you ISP account. See if there is anything that looks like they provide web based email.

In my case the web client is an open source email called Zimbra. Zimbra's user interface works just like Microsoft Outlook. There was no learning curve. It is also faster than Microsoft Outlook.
 
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dwm74 said:
My biggest issue with the New/Classic Outlook is you have to really search around for the Include/Insert/Attach File function. In some cases, I just have to find the file in Explorer, and do a copy/paste into the email. Thanks for making it easy, Microsoft.
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Thats interesting, I use classic both at home and on the work laptop, all I do is drag and drop a file into the email I'm about to send.
I used to use Thunderbird and you can do the same with that, I only changed to Outlook because it was easier to set up meetings in calendar for me> Teams on my PC doesn't work properly and even though I've got it on Office 2019 I cannot host a meeting I can only join as a guest since I tried to go over to 365 MS somehow screwed up my Teams and I can only use it as the pared down basic version. When I bought this PC I specified Windows 10 they installed 11 and I hate it. I use Primavera P6 for my business and if Oracle made a Linux version then I'd reformat the HDD next day. Take us back to 3.1 or even before when everything was easy instead of a bloated operating system that is packed full of crap we dont want or need that is being forced upon us. I hate MS, full stop.
Rant over.
 
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dwm74 said:
My biggest issue with the New/Classic Outlook is you have to really search around for the Include/Insert/Attach File function. In some cases, I just have to find the file in Explorer, and do a copy/paste into the email. Thanks for making it easy, Microsoft.
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Interesting. I like the drag and drop option from the get go for attachments. That seemed easier to me. It is cool though that we have options to complete the same task. That is a bonus.

-Mike
 
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FrenchBassQC said:
Did you had the computer or laptop powered on since 1997 before you moved on?
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As much as possible. And you know that is not possible. OP @Pilgrim was complaining about switching to classic view every time he turned on Outlook and I am giving a suggestion on avoiding that by keeping the program running, as long as possible i.e. between security patches. or forced reboots. Windows 11 and 10 have improved their memory management and keeping it open will not cause memory issues. I never shut down outlook myself between reboots. There is probably a way to avoid this switching that by editing the registry or a small PowerShell script to do it for him/her

The 1997 reference is another train of thought riding on the dislike for MS products. I am glad no one is bothering me on Teams at 11PM and we have to reboot our servers every month because of MS security patches (Linux was every 6 months at the most), My last employer for 25 years was a full Windows house. It is a very big house.

I did write a shipping and labeling program for my last employer in VT and stuck it on a DEC workstation running Linux. They were so dependent on that program that they did not reboot the computer through Y2K and finally asked me in 2007 when I was already here in NM for the source code because the workstation was done hard ware wise. Python was already pretty capable and I rewrote everything in python run for a couple years and they started using the shipping module of a POS system they had.
 
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hbarcat said:
This.

I use MS products when I have to (they're unavoidable sometimes) but this is my number one complaint. When using MS software, I get the impression that Bill Gates wants to personally control everything my computer does.
Trying to force my own preferences on some of their software is frequently an exercise in frustration.
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Exaclty how I feel about Apple. Except I'm fairly certain the ghost of Steve Jobs is too cool to care about controlling everything my pc does.

Goog is the poor man's 365. Does everything, just not as well or as easily.
 
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Wavy said:
Exaclty how I feel about Apple. Except I'm fairly certain the ghost of Steve Jobs is too cool to care about controlling everything my pc does.

Goog is the poor man's 365. Does everything, just not as well or as easily.
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The problem is that I like Apple products even less than I like MS products. Worse than that, I'm not computer savvy enough to be proficient at Linux, so I'm basically a very reluctant user of the most basic functions of MS Windows and Linux Mint, but wishing I had some other alternative besides Apple.
 
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logdrum said:
As much as possible. And you know that is not possible. OP @Pilgrim was complaining about switching to classic view every time he turned on Outlook and I am giving a suggestion on avoiding that by keeping the program running, as long as possible i.e. between security patches. or forced reboots. Windows 11 and 10 have improved their memory management and keeping it open will not cause memory issues. I never shut down outlook myself between reboots. There is probably a way to avoid this switching that by editing the registry or a small PowerShell script to do it for him/her.
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True, and I normally leave Outlook open once I have Classic enabled. That solves the problem in the short term. I have searched for various ways to make it the default and tried some of them, including editing the registry - but no luck. I will do more searches and see if I can't find some other options. I know enough about Windows to tackle most problems, but editing the registry is something I do with great care, as I could cause a problem that I don't know how to correct.

I've never had problems with Outlook, and it's a program that I've learned well and am comfortable with. It's powerful and works. I've used Thunderbird and it's a very good email program, but I'd prefer to stay with the more familiar tool.

OTOH, the Apple OS makes me crazy, and it always takes me at least 2x longer to do anything with files in the iPad than with anything Windows or Android based. I have an iPhone now, and for musical performance charts I use an iPad. I've done OK with the phone, but the whole mindset behind the Apple OS is alien to me. I want MY files on MY device, not in the cloud, thank you - and Apple is built around the exact opposite assumption. Of course, I delete OneDrive from every Windows machine immediately, because all it does is screw me up. If I want to put files in the cloud, I'll use Google drive or Dropbox, both of which have advantages over OneDrive and are much more intuitive for me to use.
 
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bwildt said:
I can't believe how bad Microsoft is these days. AI forced on you. You can't set up your computer without a Microsoft account. Obsoleting your perfectly fine older computers. Pop-ups trying to sell you stuff or get you to upgrade your MS account. Updates break things. Every interface "improvement" is non-intuitive. OS and app settings are hidden all over the place. Lack of control over scheduling updates.

I daily drive linux. Been doing it for probably about 5 years.

I do have a couple of machines running Windows, only because our church uses Powerpoint with some more esoteric embedded video features. I haven't found any open-source or paid alternatives that have these features. If I could find one, I'd dump Microsoft in a heartbeat.

I generally set up Windows with my Microsoft account. Then I immediately create a local account and always log into it.
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Same with other tech. I just bought a new Samsung television for my elderly mom and I feel like they make them WORSE today - less user-friendly, they want you to ‘sign in’ to an account, overly complicated with ‘features’ no one asked for. The only thing that’s better & easier today is hooking them up. I’m returning it.

You buy a frigging tv and they want to know everything about you when it’s none of their business.
 
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