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The death of jamming

Structure sounds like a song being written, not a jam.

I think there's a common misconception that there is never a structure to jam music. Even the most outlandish of improv sessions will almost always have a "head" that will set some sort of basis for the groove, melody, and harmony and will give the tune something to resolve towards.
 
I had a band once that never rehearsed, rarely talked to one another, gigged regularly and even made money. It lasted for about 4 years and then it seemed we ran out of things to say to each other (musically) and it ended. Total improv all the time either on stage or in the studio. Never played the same thing twice. Sounded like this:

http://www.reverbnation.com/p3usa


The most fun I ever had in a band.
 
I had a band once that never rehearsed, rarely talked to one another, gigged regularly and even made money. It lasted for about 4 years and then it seemed we ran out of things to say to each other (musically) and it ended. Total improv all the time either on stage or in the studio. Never played the same thing twice. Sounded like this:

http://www.reverbnation.com/p3usa


The most fun I ever had in a band.

I've only checked out the first song but that was pretty sick. Your guitarist definitely had a voice with his instrument, and you and the drummer were tight.
 
Define Jam I guess. I used to be part of a host band on Thursday night blues jams. Those were never a huge problem, because it’s the blues. There’s a pretty narrow window of changes.

We also opened a Wednesday night jazz jam and used the standard Real Book, and had spares for jammers. That worked too, but wasn’t nearly as popular (it’s jazz and it’s harder).

But if you’re referring to just random people hopping on stage and one person starts playing and then the others just sort of roll with it... That sounds like a dumpster fire waiting to happen to me. There’s way too many variables: when changes happen, skill level, starts and stops etc.
 
As a bass player I've never enjoyed jamming because you are just a backing track for guitarists (who think that the sun shines out of their truss rod access hole) to endlessly wank over, almost always a slow blues in A or E.

I play guitar myself but don't inflict my jamming on others, I prefer to do it in the privacy of my own home.

Last time I encountered one of these I asked "what key", he replied "whatever you like" so I chose Eb minor, "you could have chosen something a bit easier" was his response. I watched the soccer on the large screen TV while he mangled a few verses then threw in the towel. He hasn't asked me again.
 
I had a band once that never rehearsed, rarely talked to one another, gigged regularly and even made money. It lasted for about 4 years and then it seemed we ran out of things to say to each other (musically) and it ended. Total improv all the time either on stage or in the studio. Never played the same thing twice. Sounded like this:
P3usa | Jam from Garner, NC
The most fun I ever had in a band.

Cool stuff. I don't rehearse either.
 
I'm saddened that so many people have lost the spirit of true jamming- Improvisation, and spontaneity. Every week I end up with a bunch of GREAT players who just want to play songs... If it ain't on the record, they don't want to try it.

I've always hated open-ended jams, and avoid them like the plague. I'm one of those who wants to rehearse the songs we're gigging. If it's not on our set list, I'm not interested- unless we all agree to go home and practice it first. I'm just too busy to waste time wearing my fingers out for endless 1-4-5 jams to nowhere. Organic and improvisational players will disagree, and that's fine. Apples to oranges.
 
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Even the most outlandish of improv sessions will almost always have a "head" that will set some sort of basis for the groove, melody, and harmony and will give the tune something to resolve towards.

You've never jammed with the people I grew up with then. =0)

I don't like just jamming for a couple reasons -
#1, I'll be frank, is my own shortcoming: since I never actually learned music theory, I cannot improvise. You tell me to play something in X key and Y mode and I'll have zero idea what you're talking about. I'll play the root note (the note you said by name) and use my ears to figure out where to go next, cause it's all I can do.

#2, though, is just the meandering riff-to-nowhere. It can be fun, for a couple minutes, but it just never ends without conscious direction, which nobody ever seems to have. Last audition I went on, at one point the drummer just started noodling out the drum line to LaGrange... so I obliged and threw on the bass, and then the guitarist started soloing - it all just clicked and we were having a ball... but then we were stuck there, in those couple few bars, for apparently 10-15 minutes. I think I just stopped eventually. heh.

and of course #3 is just that far too much of jamming is the guitar solo wankfest. I love a good guitar solo! I just don't love 12 of them in a row.

Lastly, #4, is that I just actively want to play songs. I want to play things that audiences will know, and sing and dance along with (it happens with originals eventually, too).
 
I learn to play by my own and learn a lot of song by tabs without any idea of what I was playing. Then I met 2 guitarist who was playing together for a long time. Both only played by ear and really had a strong connection between us. Without a doubt the best musician I ever played with, but what a shock for me trying to fellow those guys ! Even when they started playing a song ive learn by tab, they played on another keys or add some improvisation. Thats how I really improve my bass playing
 
^^ DDXdesign- All good points.
- The song has to at least start with some structure, it can meander from there.
- There's gotta be a band leader, to keep it from becoming the endless boogie.
- The audience that wants to hear songs will come on friday, and saturday, and listen to good covers. The ones that want something DIFFERENT come to my sundays.
- Everybody dances to a real jam band. Sunday jam nights, not so much, but they do enjoy it, buy drinks, and clap.
- I let everybody play. If they want to play three songs absolutely straight, that's fine too. There's no room for snobbery. If they aren't enjoying the way I run it, they will stop coming. I'll probably play One-eyed Girl today, and everyone will enjoy it.
- I'd rather hear someone say 'I've never heard bass played like that', than a generic compliment.
 
The issue where I live is that people who are skilled enough to really improvise and do what OP is talking about are already in bands. They don't go to open jams on their night off. The people who go to those, 90% of the time, are inexperienced or underambitious players who want to stay in the safe zone of blues changes.
Exactly.
 
For the last few months I've been playing in a Grateful Dead/Jerry Garcia tribute band with some solid musicians. We have a happy medium between jamming and staying on track with the song, and never play the same song the same way twice. There is always something you pick up on, a little change in the high hat that makes me want to play a little more active or sit back a little, a swell in the guitar solo that the rest of the band plays off of, etc...

I have found that this type of jamming/improv has improved my playing tenfold. It is more of a listen and respond type of thing rather than an every man for himself approach. I also love when we warm up and someone (usually me) plays a little riff, the guitar players pick up on the chord, the drummer matches the beat and we just play off each other for a few minutes.

When done well I think jamming can be one of the most beneficial ways for musicians to grow. Obviously YMMV.

Sounds like I would enjoy your jams!
 
It's the advent of YouTube musicians. A lot of people are learning note for note from there. I lose a lot of students because I teach practical theory. The ones who get it become monsters. They are learning Nashville Number System first lesson and are playing (without fills) the first lesson. They are trained to use their ear and apply the things that they learn in every lessons.

Their friends may learn songs, but within 3 months, my guys are playing circles around the other teachers students... and they actually tend to stick with the instrument.


I assume that this is within a bass lesson?

So my experience....I am mostly a guitar player. I "learned" off the internet....pre-youtube (1993?) and I never took lessons until later. I would get the progression and have at it and sing on top of it. I learned a lot of cool hammer ons and stuff I could do to spice up open chords. In many ways, I was unhappy with what I was doing.

But, I never really learned songs. I never learned theory. I knew all the chords, but I didn't really know the notes. I didn't know inversions. I didn't really understand that the D and G string are just the same notes two frets down. That's why power chords work so well. ;) While I'd probably played a million I IV V songs or throw in a ii in there, I never knew what that meant. G C D, let it rip!!! The flat 3rd is what makes a minor? Really?

So as a mature(?) adult, I'm trying to unlearn stuff from the past and focus. I took some guitar lessons from a theory guy and played bass in a terrible band. It was a great experience. They had no idea what they were doing and I could root five it until I was comfortable throwing in the 3rd and flat 3rds. I looked like a genius.

I'm still on my journey...I quit that band (twice actually - came back on guitar) and play in other things. I play in a blues jam regularly. I sing, so I bring some prepared stuff and say "it's 16 bars, Cm, turn around is like Thrill is Gone....let's go") and we go. BUT, I could likely not hang at the jam across the street with is like what the OP describes. It's pick a key and go for it... yikes. Maybe I will turn up but who know.

As far a learning songs, I think its in some way the same as dissecting a frog, you need to see where all the parts are. Why does this run work with this chord, etc. etc. Now, with the you tube musicians....the band I quit had a guy like that. He would demo a song we'd never listened and say "theres a walk down there, bass player, play that..." Da fuq? I couldn't take it...since it was his approach that was bad. I've seen dude show up to jams and play their well rehearsed piece and when the next song they didn't know what called, they'd bug out. I'm scratching for an inversion....But I will say that after every jam, I'm figuring that at least one of the guys I played with is logging into a forum somewhere and complaining about me.

I think what you describe is hard for many people....or many people without experience. I wish I knew what I know now about theory when I was younger. I put it all aside for a while due to my knowledge gaps. I'm back with a vengeance now.
 
Went to my first “originals only jam” a few weeks ago. Fun for 10 minutes but after that , not so much. The leader (or whatever you would call him) would say, here’s sequence 1 (and play a few chords on his guitar C, am, f and g ) and this is sequence 2 (another set of chords “f, g am”)). He would set a tempo and feel and then call out which sequence to play while he attempted to come up with a melody and lyrics. Good idea (maybe) but poorly executed. One of the other guitarists came up said can we play my odd version of “American girl” - the leaders response was did you write it? If someone says sequence 1 is c, am,f and g and claims it’s an original, I think you need medical attention. It was a bust.

Won’t be heading back to the next jam.
 
If there's a structure, there's a jam. However, all players aren't willing or able to work out a structure versatile enough to accommodate improvisation. It's definitely a process. I agree with the OP to the extent that there is no percentage in sticking too closely to the original arrangement—of anything—unless you are banking royalties on said original. Or you're getting paid well to play it for an occasion. Otherwise, ya really gotta be ready to move an established structure into a new direction. Otherwise, you're pretty much reciting someone else's work by rote. Which is not disreputable, just not terribly creative.
 
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