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The First 7 String Electric Bass

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Garry's first 7 string bass was a modified Fender VI(6 string Bass/Baritone guitar) with an added string( his Makeshift 7 string Bass)Garry went to Mike Tobias in the mid 80's after having a conversation with Bob Lee who has worked with Mike for years,informing Garry that Mike may be able to make him one,and this was suppose to have transpired after being told by Ken that he could not make one him a 7 string Bass.


this is what Garry has posted on this thread.for those who want to know where this whole issue stands go back to the very top of this thread and start from there.



Ken I am not putting words in your mouth with all due respect Im only trying to give a condensed version of what Garry has posted here for those that are or haven't been following this Thread attentively
 
Thanks for the summary Jauqo. Going through 13 or so pages to find this info can be quite tedious ;)

Especially when you consider some of the tone of these posts.
 
I want to say one thing. In a world where bass guitar is the last thing on someone's mind today,with the Saddam news ,etc. ,here we are talking bass,so i got love all you guys.

jarred ,i get confused by your questions. Things evolve in a logical order.

i re strung my Stick in 1975 to play in 4ths tuning . It's bassically the same as a 9 string bass or 10 string low F#-to Eb.

I messed up some 6 and 8 string basses trying to make an all round wound string bass with as many strings as i could get. it turned out to be 7 without going to a plain steel string. i was in my early twenty's and didn't have money to do things like we do today.

I called a number of luthiers. My bass teacher in 1981 played a Smith bass and reffered me to Ken. I called him and told him about my home made 7 string s and sent him a deposit because he had the insight to take on the job.

After this didn 't work out ( no blame to anyone here) I went on several South Pacific gigs. I ended up in Hawai'i and in 1984 purchased a Smith pass II from Easy music. I have a copy of the warrenty form I filled out and sent to Ken SmIth basses limited.

a bass player I knew in Hawaii was trying to get some custom work done and talked with Ken ,and Ken told him to remind me he still had my deposit for the 7 string and asked my friend to ask me if I would be interested in a 6 string. I was still trying to get a 7 made but was touring and had to put it on hold .


No one had come out with a 7 string by 1986 ,so i walked into the 450 club in Northridge ,CA one night and saw a guy playing this beautiful bass. He told me it was a Tobias and that he worked there at Tobias , and Tobias would probably be able to build a 7 string for me . I went down the next business day to Tobias on Cahuenga blvd in Hollywood and we started designing a 7 string bass. I have a 1987 receipt somewhere for the bass.

I heard Brian Brombergs basses that had Rick Turner's bridge saddle pick ups and took my extra Tobias bridge to Rick Turner at Westwood Music in L.A.. i left it with him for a year and at the end of a year,he told me the spacing was too close for his pick ups to work.

About 6 months later , Alembic offered custom 7 strings and in bass Player Magazine in the August 1993 issue on page 16 ,there is "Win the Astounding Conklin 7-String..."

it goes on to say " it's no surprise that this limited-edition instrument was stopping basses in their tracks at the 1993 NAMM show , because there's nothing else like it '

well see ,there was something else ' like it " . my Tobias. I wrote a lettter to the editor (jim Roberts?) and said 'you can't print that ,there is something else like it " I had sent in a photo of my Tobias at an earler time .

The response I received was something like " we've seen dozens of 7 string basses,people send in photos all the time ". yes ,somewhere i have that letter.

So how it looks from my perspective is ,i went to Ken Smith first,and now he denies ever doing any busineess with me. Then I found Tobias and he built the bass. Then a photo shows up on a magazine "winter 1989" with a bass thhat has close spacing like mine ,carried over from my Fender Bass VI turned VII . no one has yet found out who built it or where it went.


Then I visit RIck Turner around 1990 ,then Alembic and Conklin start making 7 strings . I
called Bill Connklin after seeing the Bass player contest and asked "why did you make a 7 string bass ? " . I also asked who did his electronices. he replied 'Rick Turner ".

Now I am not saying one bad thing on this post,or trying to imply anything other than this i the time line i saw taking place.

so show me a custom 7 string predating my Tobias 7,#975 ,ordered in 1987 and i'll shut up.

I am going to post the Ken Smith stuff shortly.
 
warwick was also offering 7 strings as a custom option on their '93 price list. i have it from when i went to the namm show in annaheim. they may have offered it earlier, but probably not much earlier. just some information to share.

bill conklin has never said or even intimated that he was the first guy to make a 7 string bass. he's always told me, from the beginning of when i started dealing with him - that same bass player give away was when i called him to get my first one made - that he saw a 7 string from another builder - alembic i think - and it inspired him to make them too.

who made your low f# string that you used on the stick? what gauge was it? always on the lookout for big strings.
 
Hi Gary and the TB crowd,

I was directed to this thread by Treena. I read briefly thru the last 3 pages and then called Mike Tobias.

I must admit I did not remember the 7 at first but Mikes first 2 sentences made me remember. Mike even remembered the S/N. (these basses were like his (our) children)).

We absolutely made a 7 string for Gary (A basic with 7 strings in the 6 setring spacing ie. makeshift...) in 1987. What made me remember is having assembled and set up this bass is how lost I felt on it LOL. I still have no idea how to address the issue of the FIRST 7 string made as I had not heard of one before but I really would not have had any interest in the 7 back then so I would not know who had done it before but I can say that we used to get some pretty strange (for us) request for unique basses but if it was what the customer wanted and it would not embarrash us, we would do it.

Bob Lee (Tobias 1983-1992)

PS. I would be interested in finding out (John might know) if anyone made one prior to that instrument.

PPS. Gary, if you email a picture of the bass to me ([email protected]) I will post it for you. I will also let Mike know how to get to this thread so he may comment.
 
hey Bob,

I was hoping we could touch "bass' again. I have a photo of front and back i'll email to you. Now i am in trouble because.... you actually played my bass first!!!!

I want everyone to know that if it wasn't for Bob ,the Tobias 7 string wouldn't have been built . As I mentioned in an earlier post ,Bob was at the 450 pub in Northridge CA ,a night club with a stage I saw his Tobias bass,and told him my 7 string story and he invited me down to the Cahuenga shop. I brought down several basses for measurements ,one i think was the Fender VI..

i'll email the phot of that bass Bob.

Thanks for posting.
 
Originally posted by BassLand
PS. I would be interested in finding out (John might know) if anyone made one prior to that instrument.

i have no idea, although i think this is probably the first one - there's also the one on that picture that jt is playing on the cover of the magazine - did we ever find out who made that one? there may have been an alembic at the time, or around then - i know that bill conklin told me a long time ago that he got the idea of making 7's from a custom that he had seen, and he thought it was an alembic. still, even if it was, it could've still been made after garry's.
 
Question: Am I wrong in assuming that most of you that play 6 or 7 do so because you felt before you switched that you had positively exhausted the possibilities of creation on the 4 string bass ?
 
Originally posted by DonZ
Question: Am I wrong in assuming that most of you that play 6 or 7 do so because you felt before you switched that you had positively exhausted the possibilities of creation on the 4 string bass ?

i was bored with 4. i had more to say that the 4 allowed me to say. it was nothing to do with technical aspects, just musical freedom of expression.
 
- i'd be curious when Alembic offered a 7 string.I think I have a catalog and price list from 1990 or 91 with a 7 string in it .


on a side note
I remember taking my Tobias and second Tobias 7 string bridge to Rick Turner around 1990 at his shop at Westwood music in Los Angeles because he did a panning circuct for Brian Bromberg and i saw Rick's name on Brian's 1990 Cd "Bassically Speaking" and I wanted to have that done on my bass.. Riick had the bridge for months before he returned it and told me the spacing was too close for bridge saddle pick ups to work effectivly.. he didn't mention to me that Alembic made a 7 string bass or 7 string bridge at the time .When I brought the Tobias 7 string in,he drew a diagram of his panning circut for a size reference on the peel off paper that was on the back plastic cover. it's faded ,but it's still there.


John: the low F# was a Stick B string tuned down. The Stick low B is a narrow gauge ,and they have more of a guitar scale.It sort of worked because you just touch and press on the Stick.
 
Originally posted by DonZ
Question: Am I wrong in assuming that most of you that play 6 or 7 do so because you felt before you switched that you had positively exhausted the possibilities of creation on the 4 string bass ?


I still play four string ,but i certainly see the bass differently and what i used to think of as awkward to play has become managable.

For me ,to play something I heard played on another instrument the same way it was played on that instrument helps me grow musically.
 
Originally posted by DonZ
Question: Am I wrong in assuming that most of you that play 6 or 7 do so because you felt before you switched that you had positively exhausted the possibilities of creation on the 4 string bass ?

Not me. I just thought chicks dug more strings.




And Porsches.



I play 4,5 and 6 string basses. If you got a chance to hear me you'd know I don't put a whole lot of thought into which one I'm playing at the time.
 
Originally posted by tenebrae
Yeah, but I bet mine's yellower.

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I think you might lose that bet;)

Anyway, I just found my copy in the basment. The interview of Jamaaladeen by Joe Campagna (the editor) is sketchy at best and doesn't get into who made the bass on the cover. However, on page 12, there is a story about the seven string's builder, Dave Patterson.

According to Campagna, Patterson built the cover bass in late 1986 per his request for his store, Bass-Mint in Hackensack, NJ. Low B to high F. Three staggered EMG-P pickups.

The magazine is pretty spotty on content to say the least. In the letters section on page 14 there's a letter from Beaver Felton of Savannah, GA asking for information about the 7 string he saw at the 1987 Chicago NAMM that he was told came from or was built by Bass-Mint. I'll type the answer verbatim:

"I worked on the loading dock of a citrus plant in Vero Beach, FL. I rode my cycle down there on the way to California. Busted down to my last $.30 It was either me or my bike so I went in the bar and had a beer. It was a Georgian who bought me a meal and gave me a job working at the plant".


Oh well.

There's also a brief mention of my longtime amps, the Amplified Music Products BH-420, on the next page. They were still fairly new in 1989;)
 
I still use my AMP BH260. it's a great amp.

I was talking to a number of bass builders from 1979 to 1986. I spoke to Bob Lee and Michael Tobias in 1986 about a 7 string bass.

It is more than chance that someone writes IN !989 that they built a 7 string in 1986. Easy to say .I mention I orderd a 7 string from Ken Smith in 82' and I get grilled . I did send him one of several photos and some his notes today from 1982 . I haven't heard from him.

The bass string spacing and plain fret board on this 7 string in the magazine phot looks like someone saw my Tobias 7 first. Tobias made a 7 for me in 1987,i played it . The luthier who made the bass in the magazine made a close string spacing 7 string and did what with it exactly? he waited 3 years to give it to Jamaaladeen who didn't care for it.

An odd bass like a 7 string ,as Bob Lee mentioned ,was an odd custom order. The guy who built the 7 string Jamaaladeen is holding just happened to buil a close string spacing 7 string ,supposedly a matter of months beforeTobias built mine.

I think it is great you found a copy of the magazine and answered some questions. I don't think what is printed is accurate. let's find a photo of the bass at the 1986 NAMM show. Let's find out why he made the bass and who ordered it ,or was it another case of hearing bout or seeing the Tobias 7 string and trying to make money selling a new "weird bass".

when i was saying no one was thinking 7 string then ,It was more like what Bob Lee posted . The 7 string was a freak thing.You'd think if someone seriously thought of a 7 string bass , their would have been one built before 1987.

i was out saying i play 7 string bass then. Why did this luthier not play ,or advertise or make any more documentation than in a magazine dated winter 1989.? maybe it seemed like a cool idea ,but unless you had a concept for it ,it was just a piece of wood.

if i don't hear from Ken Smith by Tueday ,I'll post some photos etc. so you guys can see i don't BS and that what I post is based on fact..
 
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