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The First 7 String Electric Bass

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#282
first of the opinion meant by the guiness post
was that this post has runs its course.

also why do you talk down to somebody on the basis
of age, not a good way to judge a man.

i came forward explained the basis behind all
of my opinions, and never brought age into the matter. now if you disagree with what i have said
than that is fine, the Constitution gives you the right to do this. But to dimiss my statements
because they came from the mind of an eighteen year old is a little fickle dont you think.

remember age does not mean wisdom, i know several
old men who have no sense and i know kids who shock me with their amount of common sense. and vice versa.
 
#285
Originally posted by abark000
well that is a point. but shoving it down somebody's throat is arrogance at it's worst.

in regards to the aspect of recognition, if you know it in your own heart to be true then why force it upon people when it is dismissed by them.

and while jaco had boatloads more talent than i ever will, from what i have read and heard about him, he was a arrogant about every accomplishment he had ever made. which doesn't not mean he was not a good man,(i dont know hardly enough to make assumptions) just that he reportly had an arrogant nature.

but with the continued posting of this thread which boasts of accomplishments and inventions the "first" seven-stringer player ,however talented and well respected, seems to become more and more arrogant and petty.

keep in mind the invention in question is not one that i would consider having great merit in the long run of inventions and discoveries.

For example if you invented a reliable cheap alternative to gasoline then i could understand the reason behind proving your claim, but to fight this much over who invented an instrument that is still widely unaccepted even in bass-playing communities such as this seems ridiculous to me. (Not a poke at extended range instruments either, i plan to buy a six string in the near future)

I took time to respond to this and believe it well thoughtout response with good points but in the end it is only my humble opinion.

PS. Happy holidays to all parties
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why are you on this thread? Why are you posting here ? This is a serious matter for some of us. It doesn'tt seem to concern you. .

arrogance and boasting are not involved here. Jauqo asked a question to find an answe to his question. I am a key element in this discussion,and you are not. I have Ken Smith and Bob Lee who worked at Tobias and some other guys who are in volved in the question asked on this thread . I have people trying to say I am a liar.This is a serious matter. Arrogance and boasting / i have to repeat things because people can't retaimn the facts. I don't get a medal for saying i am the first at doing or being something , and we are trying to piece the history of 7 string bass together .

when a guy like Peter says my bass isn't "real" , it's incorrect. and while I am on here ,i have to say something. There is a limited amount of people who can say anything about 7 string bass that were involved with the bass before 1990. I happen to be one of them.You don't know what I went through to get one made because you can buy them anywhere now. To state a fact repeatedly is to not let others try to run the truth over. if I only pasted on page two,you'd have to back there to find my position. You aren't the one being called a liar ,or a troll etc. I suggest you make a statement like mine and watch the bombs drop on you. I see lots of arrogance around here but pointing that out has nothing to do with the thread. Why don't you take you thoughts to an off topic thread and post you arrogant accusations there.
 
#287
Originally posted by geshel
PB - who pissed in your Cheerios? Didn't JT's notes about respect have any impact on you? Lay off.
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Gee, what he said about Garry was real respectful, wasn't it?!?

Read the whole thread!(this means you, geshel)!
My (and others) irritation with these "cheap seat" comments has been well documented at this point.

Read the whole thing, get a clue, or "lay off" yourself!
 
#288
John opened this thread again because this is a serious issue,and out of respect for the TB Family Im sure a few of us can learn something here,wether some of you may think this is a joke thread or not it has been a lot of disrespect thrown around.I understand Garry and Ken's position on this and it is what it is. I know both Ken and Garry and Im more than sure they will resolve what they have at hand.but the continued insults is not needed here at all.yes we all can have fun but some of the remarks that I have read are just out of place.if Garry is the first and it is proven then! what,for some it's no big deal but Im sure it means a lot to Garry.there are not to many people who are blessed to do or have a first and to those that are/do it really means a lot my self included.maybe whatever any of us contribute to this instrument called Bass Im sure it's out of love.and if there were never a first pertaining to our instrument a great majority might not be where we are now.if you look at life many first have made some of us here very happy.I asked the ? and it has not been answered yet but Im sure it will be very soon.sometimes the first can be a beautifull spirit to share.and this thread might be the first time some of us have taken the time and looked in the Mirror.


and abark000 I mean this with the utmost respect you say you have, the right to your beliefs and opinion and when someone questions that you get ticked off and you want them to stop well thats a human response I think most of us here would agree with you but if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
 
#289
listen just stop. do you want to me say "yeah i'm sorry i shouldn't have spoken my opinion because i'm only eighteen and i don't have the wisdom of somebody older than me", yeah right. i am a member of this forum i stated my opinion and suddenly some guy with nothing to go is all over me, picking apart my posts.

so stop and act your age:D
 
#291
Originally posted by abark000
to jauqo i appreciate finally being treated like an adult instead of as a kid. and i understand your meaning but my opinions stay the same.

i am just glad that somebody has recognized that an opinion that goes against popular opinion is just as valid as the popular opinion.
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If an opinion is a snide remark, well then, yeah, you certainly posted your "opinion".
 
#296
Ninestring, according to what Brad posted, the 7 string was made in late 1986 for some store. Beaver had seen it at a NAMM show. If it was built in late 86 that makes it earlier then your 87 Tobias. Sure, the magazine is from 89 but that doesn't mean that was when the bass was made. Also, you didn't understand my comment about "real" seven. I didn't say your Tobias wasn't a real bass. My comment simply suggests that it was the 2nd "real" 7 string, just not the first. What I mean by real is that it was not some modified 6 string but was designed from the start to be a 7 string.
I suggest you step back from this thread and breathe. You're working your panties into a bunch for nothing.
 
#297
Originally posted by BassLand
Hey every one! Give the kid a break. I took his 1942 remark as a joke and made one of my own this is not that serious....

When in doubt, keep 'em laughing


BL

Lets see he invented it in 1942 when in reality his PARENTS were probably a gleem in some ones eyes. It's a joke.
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No, it was the Guiness remark, the Guiness remark. Besides, were cool.
BL, please try to follow along. You're setting a bad example for the kids. ;) :D :D
 
#298
Originally posted by BassLand
Hey every one! Give the kid a break. I took his 1942 remark as a joke and made one of my own this is not that serious....

When in doubt, keep 'em laughing


BL

Lets see he invented it in 1942 when in reality his PARENTS were probably a gleem in some ones eyes. It's a joke.
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And let's not pretend that snide remarks aren't coming from ALL directions, okay?
 
#299
Originally posted by Ninestring
ok -enough is enough

Bob Lee who actually worked onTobias 7 string bass serial # 975 in 1987 posted that i ordered the bass. The magazine article is dated Winter 1989. So some guy says teo tears later that that bass is the first 7 strng-and you swallow it just like that.
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Garry, he seems to be giving the magazine account as much weight as yours. No more, no less.

Who are you to tell me my seven string Tobias is not a real Bass? You don't know what you are talking about. I use a .130 gauge for my low B_Is that not a real bass string ? I have worked professionally with that bass ,hired as a bass player using that bass since the mid 80's. If you can't provide real hard evidence -you shouldn't post here. Jamaaladeen is a friend of Jauqo's. You know the guy who started this thread? he toldd Jauqo the strings were too close ,it had close string spacing.
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Sounds like you've misinterpreted what Peter said. He didn't say your 7 wasn't a "real" bass.

As far as hard evidence, while the article could be completely wrong... it's still hard evidence;)

And when Jamaaladeen was telling Jauqo about a 7 with close spacing so far it doesn't sound like he was talking about the bass he's holding on the magazine cover. Apparently it's not close spaced.

Try reading the entire thread before posting this stuff.
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#300
Originally posted by Ninestring
why are you on this thread? Why are you posting here ? This is a serious matter for some of us. It doesn'tt seem to concern you. .

arrogance and boasting are not involved here. Jauqo asked a question to find an answe to his question. I am a key element in this discussion,and you are not. I have Ken Smith and Bob Lee who worked at Tobias and some other guys who are in volved in the question asked on this thread . I have people trying to say I am a liar.This is a serious matter. Arrogance and boasting / i have to repeat things because people can't retaimn the facts. I don't get a medal for saying i am the first at doing or being something , and we are trying to piece the history of 7 string bass together .

when a guy like Peter says my bass isn't "real" , it's incorrect. and while I am on here ,i have to say something. There is a limited amount of people who can say anything about 7 string bass that were involved with the bass before 1990. I happen to be one of them.You don't know what I went through to get one made because you can buy them anywhere now. To state a fact repeatedly is to not let others try to run the truth over. if I only pasted on page two,you'd have to back there to find my position. You aren't the one being called a liar ,or a troll etc. I suggest you make a statement like mine and watch the bombs drop on you. I see lots of arrogance around here but pointing that out has nothing to do with the thread. Why don't you take you thoughts to an off topic thread and post you arrogant accusations there.
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No offense Garry but as a member of TB he can post in this thread. My guess is that's why he's here.
 
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