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The First 7 String Electric Bass
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Don't you get it? Read the thread title. Someone wanted to know. It's OK. If it's ridiculous to you, fine, find another thread.
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Originally posted by NJL
some people think i can be arrogant (although i don't really think i am), but that's the way some see me....what can i do? i don't know, but all i can say (to Jared) is sell one of those fodera's and pay your supporting membership!
I've only got one Fodera now. But a second is coming soon!
Not to get off topic but it's actually threads like this that have made me decide not to renew. Among other things really, but I think you get the idea. Too much bickering, not enough music/bass.
- Mar 1, 2002
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Guys n gals... I'm beat. I just finished unloading a tractor trailer load of curly/tiger maple. 10,000 board feet... 18 bundels of 500+ BD FT average each from 8-16 feet long....But... I will take a few minutes to give you my two cents before I collapse for the night..
Who's(on)first, who did it best, whos' works better..... when, where, how, who.....I'm dizzy reading this stuff.
BUT !! I will say this. Sometimes, 2 or more different people have a similar vision at the same point in time and without even knowing each other, come up with something similar....
Creative Ideas and Musicians' needs work hand in hand. I can't tell you how many things I make or the way we do things because of an Idea and/or a request. Sometimes, It's right in front of you and you don't even see it.... Like with many things in life...
As for the similarity of the 7 string pictured and our Basses, We made our BT with the point at the bottom in 1981. Perhaps that builder saw our Basses and liked that feature and used it! Who knows?
As for ninestring... ok ok ok . I got his name... It was right in front of me but I just couldn't see.... You get my drift?
He and I are in communication trying to figure out if and what might have happened.
Who's(on)first, who did it best, whos' works better..... when, where, how, who.....I'm dizzy reading this stuff.
BUT !! I will say this. Sometimes, 2 or more different people have a similar vision at the same point in time and without even knowing each other, come up with something similar....
Creative Ideas and Musicians' needs work hand in hand. I can't tell you how many things I make or the way we do things because of an Idea and/or a request. Sometimes, It's right in front of you and you don't even see it.... Like with many things in life...
As for the similarity of the 7 string pictured and our Basses, We made our BT with the point at the bottom in 1981. Perhaps that builder saw our Basses and liked that feature and used it! Who knows?
As for ninestring... ok ok ok . I got his name... It was right in front of me but I just couldn't see.... You get my drift?
He and I are in communication trying to figure out if and what might have happened.
I still think it's nitpicky to call out Garry on this "who thought it first" thing, and he may, in his enthusiasm to respond to something so close to his heart, have (or not, it remains to be seen) overstated his position a little on this.
However, if it came down to proving such a thing in a court of law, they who come up with varifiable documentation and/or witnesses (as Garry seems to have) dated the earliest, wins.
Brad, don't invest too much money in that pneumatic/hydraulic....bass....thing....
..AND LEAVE MY MOTHER OUT OF IT!!!
Originally posted by PhatBasstard
I still think it's nitpicky to call out Garry on this "who thought it first" thing, and he may, in his enthusiasm to respond to something so close to his heart, have (or not, it remains to be seen) overstated his position a little on this.
However, if it came down to proving such a thing in a court of law, they who come up with varifiable documentation and/or witnesses (as Garry seems to have) dated the earliest, wins.
Somehow I think proving who thought of it first might not be as easy to prove as you might think.
Brad, don't invest too much money in that pneumatic/hydraulic....bass....thing....
No worries... my money's tied up in *keep this to yourself* re-reusable simian diapers. We're not talking garden variety monkey diapers, this will work with Orangutans, Gibbons, Squirrel Monkeys, Gorillas, etc. I'm psyched. The wet/dry bass (I call it the Shop Bass) is on the back burner for now.
..AND LEAVE MY MOTHER OUT OF IT!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist. I see "WORD" and immediately think Vanilla Ice.
Originally posted by Jared Morante
I've only got one Fodera now. But a second is coming soon!
Not to get off topic but it's actually threads like this that have made me decide not to renew. Among other things really, but I think you get the idea. Too much bickering, not enough music/bass.
They're ever so easy to avoid... yet you've returned
Oh, I never said it would be "easy". What court proceeding ever is?
Now, about those "Simian Diapers":
I have this drummer....
- Mar 1, 2002
- 4,237
- 52
- 74
- Disclosures
- Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
Ha ha...... your'e so funny..... Jump on in... The water's fine......
I'm not falling for it......
Ah, do I know you?
Actually, you owe me $5.oo..... You went to the MAC machine and never returned!!!!!.. Just kidding.... Don is working on his comedy act just in case he looses his job and also forgets how to play Bass....lol
When are you coming in to pick up the Maple neck wood you asked about????
BRING CASH.......LOL.....
Hey fella's this is one of the funniest,Most serious,Brotherly,cynical,loving,I cant wait to kick his A--,who does this guy think he is,I respect that guy,group hug,I met some beautiful kats here,who made the first,who thought it first,that word( first) again,I wish I was the first,first is ridiculus,I did it first,I was the first,I will be the first,I can't wait to kick his A-- first Thread I have ever seen.
oh! I almost forgot
Who was the first luthier to give us the first 7 string electric Bass and who was the first Bassist to play a 7 string Bass?
oh! I almost forgot
Who was the first luthier to give us the first 7 string electric Bass and who was the first Bassist to play a 7 string Bass?
I just thought I'd try to get a word ( or 500)in here.
I think Ken Smith is a master luthier. I still own and play a 4 string I purchased in Hawaii in 1984. He and I are in communication as he mentioned and we will resolve this issue.
I have a receipt dated 1987 from Michael Tobias for a 7 string bass. Show me any evidence of an existing 7 string bass being played back then. When I say no one was thinking 7 string bass back then is because there weren't any and getting one built was next to impossible. I don't mean the thought never crossed anyone's mind. But-why would it-there was no real reason for a 7 string ,it was considered an oddity and only I will know what it was like in "Summer 1989" that predates the winter 1989 photo , what it was like to be showing up to a gig with a 7 string. Let someone come forward and provide evidence to the contrary.
If someone had an idea and a real purpose for a 7 string ,why haven't they come forward ? I have been posting this fact since March of this year on TB and this is the best anyone has come up with. I also posted that I created Percussive Harmonics and after having an MP3 Page up most of this year ,nobody could come up with one recording that even sounds close to my technique.
I may appear arrogant ,and although I am not ,i think it odd that after appearing with a 7 string bass before "winter 1989" that all of a sudden 7 string basses started showing up. Why did the luthier make the string spacing so close? The string spacing looks like my Tobias 7 string.. Jamaaladeen didn't care for the spacing, and who ever built that bass didn't put thought into what a player would do with the bass. Jauqo tells me that Jamaaladeen only had the bass for about a month . The luthier didn't bother to ask Jamaaladeen for input before building the bass.
if you read my very first post 'Unique Technique" asking if anyone would be interested in a unique harmonic technique-an honest question, i was dumped on-no quarter given I was told by the Pro I asked that I indeed did not invent my own technique.
I just state facts I can back up and provide proof for. I don't like all this conflict but all of you need to know the true history of the bass.
if I seem arrogant it's because the garbage that has been dumped on me on Talk Bass is unreasonable. I can play. I called Jauqo up on the phone and played him 'Donna Lee" not like Jaco Pastorius did-I walked the left hand bass and comped chords and with my right hand played the melody like a piano player would. I have been working on that since 1991. I put in a lot of time since i got my first bass in 1964.
i get a little tired of guys who don't work as a full time bassist ,who can't read music and can't even provide a decent recording of their playing knocking me.
Maybe MC Bass dude wasn't there when I thought of a 7 string bass ,but he was there when I played one at the Troubadour in Los Angeles in 1978 when my fusion band "Jasmine" helped our friend, Doug Weston, re open his world famous club. I started playing 6 string and 5 string in the 1960's. What were most of you doing back then ?
I think if you have a double neck 7 string or ten 7 strings or a 30 string bass ,it's just great.Just be able to play the thing.
Guys used to sit around , get stoned and dream of crazy guitars. There was a guy in L.A.
years ago that had a double neck guitar . then left hand had a neck to play and his right hand had a neck to play ,so he had a left and right handed neck coming out of the body. I've never seen another guitar like that. He had a concept and he knew how to play the axe.
I have spent two decades developing my 7 string playing and if you have heard my tracks or seen me play ,you can tell I have put in those decades. That's not being arrogant ,it's a fact.
I never said I am better,or smarter or what ever than anyone on talk bass,but don't try to discredit me. Don't try to make me look stupid or make me out to be a liar. When someone alludes to being the guy behind the 7 string they had better been playing one longer than me. I thought of the Stick Touchboard in 1969-my own concept ,but Emmet Chapman built one and played one first. You guys don't get on his case-The 7 string was such an odd thing ,why would anyone think of it. it was born out of me playing a 6 string bass from 1964-77, and a Stick with that low B since 1975.
I have given Talk Bass since last March to come up with the evidence to prove me wrong. You can't prove me wrong because i was the one who followed through and had the 7 string built by an incredible luthier and went out playing before anyone else.. it's no "ego trip" or " attitude" and I only used it as publicity on the Mark and Brian show and countless other promotions over the years to call attention to my one of a kind bass playing style that no one else has yet to imitate. I have dozens of radio spots saying " Garry Goodman-the first 7 string bass player" No one ever showed up to the event or called up and disputed it. They couldn't.
I guess i could be really arrogant knowing that everyone made a 7 string bass after they saw mine ,but ,I don't care. I get ticked off when someone thinks they made the first or are the first 7 string player after summer of 1989. I have the documentation. If a guy in Spain had one made in 1965 , i would have no way of knowing ,and only on the internet can we now all connect on a site like this.
so if I didn't have the idea and act on it first and haven't been playing the longest........
Who has?
Would some of you be more comfortable if I said someone else had the first 7 string bass made ? Would it make you happy if someone was playing one in 1972 or 1935? What's the problem here,that i have the nerve to say I am the first 7 string bass player ? if so, I must have played the first 7 string bass. I would say the first 7 string bass guitar was started and completed by Michael Tobias. Whether I am arrogant or not is beside the point ,this would seem to be the logical answer to the question asked at the top of this thread.
I think Ken Smith is a master luthier. I still own and play a 4 string I purchased in Hawaii in 1984. He and I are in communication as he mentioned and we will resolve this issue.
I have a receipt dated 1987 from Michael Tobias for a 7 string bass. Show me any evidence of an existing 7 string bass being played back then. When I say no one was thinking 7 string bass back then is because there weren't any and getting one built was next to impossible. I don't mean the thought never crossed anyone's mind. But-why would it-there was no real reason for a 7 string ,it was considered an oddity and only I will know what it was like in "Summer 1989" that predates the winter 1989 photo , what it was like to be showing up to a gig with a 7 string. Let someone come forward and provide evidence to the contrary.
If someone had an idea and a real purpose for a 7 string ,why haven't they come forward ? I have been posting this fact since March of this year on TB and this is the best anyone has come up with. I also posted that I created Percussive Harmonics and after having an MP3 Page up most of this year ,nobody could come up with one recording that even sounds close to my technique.
I may appear arrogant ,and although I am not ,i think it odd that after appearing with a 7 string bass before "winter 1989" that all of a sudden 7 string basses started showing up. Why did the luthier make the string spacing so close? The string spacing looks like my Tobias 7 string.. Jamaaladeen didn't care for the spacing, and who ever built that bass didn't put thought into what a player would do with the bass. Jauqo tells me that Jamaaladeen only had the bass for about a month . The luthier didn't bother to ask Jamaaladeen for input before building the bass.
if you read my very first post 'Unique Technique" asking if anyone would be interested in a unique harmonic technique-an honest question, i was dumped on-no quarter given I was told by the Pro I asked that I indeed did not invent my own technique.
I just state facts I can back up and provide proof for. I don't like all this conflict but all of you need to know the true history of the bass.
if I seem arrogant it's because the garbage that has been dumped on me on Talk Bass is unreasonable. I can play. I called Jauqo up on the phone and played him 'Donna Lee" not like Jaco Pastorius did-I walked the left hand bass and comped chords and with my right hand played the melody like a piano player would. I have been working on that since 1991. I put in a lot of time since i got my first bass in 1964.
i get a little tired of guys who don't work as a full time bassist ,who can't read music and can't even provide a decent recording of their playing knocking me.
Maybe MC Bass dude wasn't there when I thought of a 7 string bass ,but he was there when I played one at the Troubadour in Los Angeles in 1978 when my fusion band "Jasmine" helped our friend, Doug Weston, re open his world famous club. I started playing 6 string and 5 string in the 1960's. What were most of you doing back then ?
I think if you have a double neck 7 string or ten 7 strings or a 30 string bass ,it's just great.Just be able to play the thing.
Guys used to sit around , get stoned and dream of crazy guitars. There was a guy in L.A.
years ago that had a double neck guitar . then left hand had a neck to play and his right hand had a neck to play ,so he had a left and right handed neck coming out of the body. I've never seen another guitar like that. He had a concept and he knew how to play the axe.
I have spent two decades developing my 7 string playing and if you have heard my tracks or seen me play ,you can tell I have put in those decades. That's not being arrogant ,it's a fact.
I never said I am better,or smarter or what ever than anyone on talk bass,but don't try to discredit me. Don't try to make me look stupid or make me out to be a liar. When someone alludes to being the guy behind the 7 string they had better been playing one longer than me. I thought of the Stick Touchboard in 1969-my own concept ,but Emmet Chapman built one and played one first. You guys don't get on his case-The 7 string was such an odd thing ,why would anyone think of it. it was born out of me playing a 6 string bass from 1964-77, and a Stick with that low B since 1975.
I have given Talk Bass since last March to come up with the evidence to prove me wrong. You can't prove me wrong because i was the one who followed through and had the 7 string built by an incredible luthier and went out playing before anyone else.. it's no "ego trip" or " attitude" and I only used it as publicity on the Mark and Brian show and countless other promotions over the years to call attention to my one of a kind bass playing style that no one else has yet to imitate. I have dozens of radio spots saying " Garry Goodman-the first 7 string bass player" No one ever showed up to the event or called up and disputed it. They couldn't.
I guess i could be really arrogant knowing that everyone made a 7 string bass after they saw mine ,but ,I don't care. I get ticked off when someone thinks they made the first or are the first 7 string player after summer of 1989. I have the documentation. If a guy in Spain had one made in 1965 , i would have no way of knowing ,and only on the internet can we now all connect on a site like this.
so if I didn't have the idea and act on it first and haven't been playing the longest........
Who has?
Would some of you be more comfortable if I said someone else had the first 7 string bass made ? Would it make you happy if someone was playing one in 1972 or 1935? What's the problem here,that i have the nerve to say I am the first 7 string bass player ? if so, I must have played the first 7 string bass. I would say the first 7 string bass guitar was started and completed by Michael Tobias. Whether I am arrogant or not is beside the point ,this would seem to be the logical answer to the question asked at the top of this thread.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
are you talking to me? since i'm the only one around with a doubleneck or 10 7 string instruments, i guess you are. why are you bringing me into this?
mark beem
Wait, how does this song start again??
What does it mean to be "the first" anyway?? Aside from bragging rights not much as far as I can see.
I really think it is silly to argue semantics in this case. It seems from the recent posts that there may be no dispute as to Garry having the first 7 string and playing it the longest. Garry used the word "thought" and you all want to hang him from the highest rafter. Here's a guy that IMO clearly was the first 7 stringer and you all want to argue about did he "think" of it first.
Would you rake Larry Graham over the coals this hard if he stated he was the first to think of slapping? I hardly think you would.
Larry Graham is the Father of Slap and Garry Goodman is the Father of the 7 string.
I'm amazed at the lack of respect shown for this musical pioneer.
It's quite easy to understand Garry's frustration with this issue.
Here you have a briliant composer, pioneer and musician in your midst and you'll probably run him off this web site and miss out on all he has to offer.
Shame on you.
Would you rake Larry Graham over the coals this hard if he stated he was the first to think of slapping? I hardly think you would.
Larry Graham is the Father of Slap and Garry Goodman is the Father of the 7 string.
I'm amazed at the lack of respect shown for this musical pioneer.
It's quite easy to understand Garry's frustration with this issue.
Here you have a briliant composer, pioneer and musician in your midst and you'll probably run him off this web site and miss out on all he has to offer.
Shame on you.
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