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The First 7 String Electric Bass

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#182
Originally posted by ole Jason
mcbassdude...
And if Larry Graham told me "I was the first to think of slapping" I would say "Go tell Milt Hinton that".
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Now I don't claim to be an expert on the birth of slap bass. But from everything I've read and interviews with Larry, it seems pretty clear he is widley accepted as the Father of Slap bass (electric bass). Crazy?
Now I'm sure this will start a whole other thread discrediting Larry Graham.
Oi:rolleyes:
 
#183
I respect the guy's abilities. I believe him that he was the first with a completed 7, and the first to gig with one. But, regarding inventing it...

...so what? What I mean is: the seven was preceded by a 6, which was preceded by a five, which was preceded by a four. The four string electric bass was preceded by the electric guitar, and by the four string double bass, and by the 8 or more string electric "Hawaiian" steel guitar. There were double basses with five (and I think more maybe) strings hundreds of years ago. Fretted ones even. So, *to me at least*, the 7-string electric bass is not an invention, it's a minor incremental evolution of the instrument. As is the 8 string, 9 string, and whatever else. Nothing to be heavily excited about. It just isn't in the same zone of significance as the first person to electrify a guitar, or the first to make a bass-range instrument in a horizontal, fretted, shorter-than-upright-scale guitar-like form. Those were inventions.
 
#184
I invented the internet!!! Oh... wait, that was Al Gore!

hehe... from what I see in this thread, nine was the first person to play a 7 string electric bass... but if you look back at the hundreds of instruments designed and dropped prior to 1950, I am sure you will see many viols with seven or more strings. Maybe not electric, maybe not tuned in fourths... but do we really know?
 
#185
Originally posted by tenebrae
Ninestring: I don't mean to be disrespectful or take anything away from your accomplishments, commitment to the bass community, or contributions to the evolution of the electric bass, but why is it so important that everyone acknowledges that you were first?

You know it, you have plenty of supporters and no one has produced evidence to the contrary.
And there will always be dissention on any controversy no matter how much evidence exists.

There are still folks who actually believe the earth is flat, for ****'s sake. Who would bother to continue to debate with them?

I just don't get what the problem is here.

Edit: Oh yeah, I remember...people LOVE to argue!

I don't argue. and don't be offened but,nothing can take away from my or anyone else's accomplishments.

I should be able to,as i originally did , state some facts about me , my bass,my techniques etc without anyone first assuming I'm , what was the TB term... yeah , a "Troll"

People who didn't make 7 strings before started making 7 strings and money from such an odd bass. Players are now getting recognized when they have a 7 string bass. Some people think that by me saying what i do ,it makes them look bad ,because in there minds , they were the guys who brought us the 7 string bass. i did all the developement and my bass is commercially viable-I play it all the time.

I think they need to know where the bass came from. Some try to allude to the idea they are resonsible for the 7 string bass. if you put in the decades of effort I have on the bass , you might want to correct that misinformation.

When Jauqo posted the question- I waited to see what would happen. I only replied when someone said the had a photo of a 7 from the early 80's. I came on to answer the question , and that's that.

I can accept that some people will not ever acknowledge my claims , but at this point ,as you say , most everyone gets the idea.

i will get my documentation to Ken Smith and we will figure that stuff out,but the point is mute .
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#186
Originally posted by pilotjones
I respect the guy's abilities. I believe him that he was the first with a completed 7, and the first to gig with one. But, regarding inventing it...

...so what? What I mean is: the seven was preceded by a 6, which was preceded by a five, which was preceded by a four. The four string electric bass was preceded by the electric guitar, and by the four string double bass, and by the 8 or more string electric "Hawaiian" steel guitar. There were double basses with five (and I think more maybe) strings hundreds of years ago. Fretted ones even. So, *to me at least*, the 7-string electric bass is not an invention, it's a minor incremental evolution of the instrument. As is the 8 string, 9 string, and whatever else. Nothing to be heavily excited about. It just isn't in the same zone of significance as the first person to electrify a guitar, or the first to make a bass-range instrument in a horizontal, fretted, shorter-than-upright-scale guitar-like form. Those were inventions.
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I don't disagree with you at all.
However the question was posed by someone opening this thread and it was responded to. Garry was simply responding to a question that he has first hand knowledge on. Someone asked and he responded and it just blew up from there.
I for one am far more impressed with Garry's ability to play than I am with "did he or didn't he concieve of the 7 string". He is truly one of the most amazing players I have ever witnessed and I've been to alot of shows featuring bass phenom's such as Stanley Clark, Larry Graham, Alphonso Johnson, Percy Jones, Marcus Miller etc... for what that's worth.

So it stung to see him getting the heat and lack of respect he has garnered on this thread.
Peace
 
#187
Originally posted by pilotjones
I respect the guy's abilities. I believe him that he was the first with a completed 7, and the first to gig with one. But, regarding inventing it...

...so what? What I mean is: the seven was preceded by a 6, which was preceded by a five, which was preceded by a four. The four string electric bass was preceded by the electric guitar, and by the four string double bass, and by the 8 or more string electric "Hawaiian" steel guitar. There were double basses with five (and I think more maybe) strings hundreds of years ago. Fretted ones even. So, *to me at least*, the 7-string electric bass is not an invention, it's a minor incremental evolution of the instrument. As is the 8 string, 9 string, and whatever else. Nothing to be heavily excited about. It just isn't in the same zone of significance as the first person to electrify a guitar, or the first to make a bass-range instrument in a horizontal, fretted, shorter-than-upright-scale guitar-like form. Those were inventions.
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i agree,except think the 6 came before the 5 string.

This brings us to Jauqo's other thread -What is your multistring concept ?

So the number of strings doesn't matter ,but rather what you do with them . and my point is that I created a 7 string because of a different approach to bass playing ,not just to have one more strings-and to some,that's exciting.

so when i say I am the first 7 string player-you are right! so what ? But when i ad the "because of this" to it,then we get into another area. Good post!
 
#189
Originally posted by ole Jason
mcbassdude...

No one is disputing that ninestring had the first 7 string electric bass built and was the first to play it. Why do you keep posting all this crazy stuff? And if Larry Graham told me "I was the first to think of slapping" I would say "Go tell Milt Hinton that".

ninestring...

No one is disputing that you were the first to have a 7 string built and were the first to play one live on a regular basis. The only dispute was in the fact that you said you were the first to "think" of it. Perhaps you should have said you were the first to think of it through to it's conception? At any rate, scan the receipt if you get a chance.
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i see you point ,and i'd have to go back and see how i worded it. I just got the impression I thought about it first because i couldn't find any anywhere else and i was the only guy playing one ,and no one from Honk kong tto Las Vegas ever said 'you should hear so and so play 7 string bass'. So since I never head anyone so much as mention 7 string bass ,well.... I don't know what came over me.

but seriously ,you are correct ,i am notsaying the thought never crossed someone else's mind ,but i was obsessed with it since 1976 or so.
 
#193
ok-so i'm arrogant. i was informed that Talk bass was largely made up of amateur players, some who are not in a position to say some of the things they do.

my arrogance was learned right here on Talk bass. I have strarted threads and posted very reasonable things. I was attacked and after a while it got ugly.

tell me ,sir ,in your wisdom , what is the correc t was to tell someone you do something- doesn't the sentence usually start with ' I"

I poked at John because i want him to give us more than photos or a 12 minuuute track every 6 monthes. I think any guy drawn to a 7 string bass is an imaginative indidvidual. I will tell you thet i never said i played better than John , i just said i utilized more of the bass. I wanted him to at least consider my concept ,and after all was said and done ,he emailed me and said "cool tracks" . some of what John posts looks arrogant as well. So what ?do you think Jaco Pastorius wasn't arrogant ?

When I say I am the first 7 string bassist ,or i invented Percussive Harmonics , or I worked out fingerings for the Bach two part inventions for 7 string bass in the 1980's - I need to start the sentence with "I" , except when I start the sentence with "it" as in it was me who started using .007 40" strings for the high Eb on a ninestring.

These are true facts. Is that arrogant ?I never said i am better than anyone because i have been where they have and i have a long way to go yet. I did say that nobody playts like ME.

IIII MEMEme ME yadya yada yada !!!!!












Originally posted by NJL
you, sir, are extremely arrogant.

when you say talkbass is unreasonable - you are saying me and all of the other posters in talkbass are unreasonable. a lot of us see that you are "me, me, me...I, I, I...yada, yada, yada" and that turns off the most reasonable person. you should learned how to communicate with people. but then again who am i to tell you this.

in regards to you poking at JT - there have been times that i really don't see eye to eye with him, but he is a very nice person. he has worked very hard (along with others) to make this a truly great forum. when you say that he can't play, i'm book that also says that you are better than him - thus pointing out a contradiction from you.

along with the Stick, the 7 string what else did you invent? maybe Ronco (Ron Popeil) would see to you as major competition. maybe you can come up with a better "Automatic 5-Minute Pasta and Sausage Maker" mine sucks. how about an "Automatic 5-Minute Groove and Soul Maker"

i can say, just like any community - if you want people to respect you - better earn it, cause i ain't giving you squat, yet.

peace :)
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#194
Originally posted by pilotjones
I respect the guy's abilities. I believe him that he was the first with a completed 7, and the first to gig with one. But, regarding inventing it...

...so what? What I mean is: the seven was preceded by a 6, which was preceded by a five, which was preceded by a four. The four string electric bass was preceded by the electric guitar, and by the four string double bass, and by the 8 or more string electric "Hawaiian" steel guitar. There were double basses with five (and I think more maybe) strings hundreds of years ago. Fretted ones even. So, *to me at least*, the 7-string electric bass is not an invention, it's a minor incremental evolution of the instrument. As is the 8 string, 9 string, and whatever else. Nothing to be heavily excited about. It just isn't in the same zone of significance as the first person to electrify a guitar, or the first to make a bass-range instrument in a horizontal, fretted, shorter-than-upright-scale guitar-like form. Those were inventions.
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The electric guitar is a minor increment of the Acoustic guitar and the Electric Bass is a minor increment of the Double Bass(Upright Bass)a SUV is a minor increment of a car
and since the 7 is a minor increment of the 6 why can't it be an invention? why is Anthony Jackson noted as inventing the Modern 6 string electric Bass a minor increment of the 5 string

Im just asking. can we just give Garry his props for at least having the Heart to do what he has done.whether he invented the 7 string electric Bass or not.
 
#195
Originally posted by Jared Morante
Out of curiosity Garry, do you have any places we can listen to some of your recordings since mp3.com is down?
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hey jarred-

i think there is a Niesen/Goodman Duo page on IUMA and another site ,sound sourcery .com

I have to get the correct URL's and post them.

it was too bad about MP3 I wish I knew how to post audio hereis it possible ?
 
#196
Originally posted by Ninemillionsstring
it was too bad about MP3 I wish I knew how to post audio hereis it possible ?
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http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1178924#post1178924

There's pretty much all you need to know about attaching .mp3 files.

but the size limits are pretty small, with a lot of compression you might be able to squeeze a full track, but the audio quality would suffer so much, it's probably not worth it.

You'd be better off with some webspace.

or maybe you might want to look into
www.soundclick.com
 
#198
Just for kicks,
Invent: To come upon, meet with, discover; 1. to think up; devise or fabricate in the mind 2. to think out or produce (a new device, process, etc.)originate as by experiment; Devise for the first time; 3. To find, discover...
From Websters New World college 4th edition

I dunno, I think he meets the definition.:)

I'm glad to see that some folks are starting to embrace Garry instead of knocking him:)
He truly is an amazing player. His tapping technique must be seen to be believed and even then it boggles the mind.
Peace
 
#199
Originally posted by Ninestring
So what ?do you think Jaco Pastorius wasn't arrogant ?
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Let me remind you that Jaco's last words were something to the effect of, "Do you know who I am? I'm Jaco ****ing Pastorius!"

Yeah, Gary, you are a little arrogant (no worse than a lot of members here), but you seem to know that. I haven't heard your playing, so I know nothing about it. I do know your concept though, and it's definatley not something I follow on my 7. I'm more from the JT school there, but he's been a mentor about it since before I bought it. You seem like an ok guy, just with a slightly inflated head (but that's fine!). ;)

Wow, that post was totally random.... :)
 
#200
Originally posted by Eric Cioe
Let me remind you that Jaco's last words were something to the effect of, "Do you know who I am? I'm Jaco ****ing Pastorius!"

Yeah, Gary, you are a little arrogant (no worse than a lot of members here), but you seem to know that. I haven't heard your playing, so I know nothing about it. I do know your concept though, and it's definatley not something I follow on my 7. I'm more from the JT school there, but he's been a mentor about it since before I bought it. You seem like an ok guy, just with a slightly inflated head (but that's fine!). ;)

Wow, that post was totally random.... :)
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You really don't know what you are saying. Listen to my 7 string playing and then tell me this.
 
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