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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

It's true, the Noble is totally beautiful in every way. I was sold once I heard those Juan Nelson clips on the website! I can get away with just that as a power supply as of right now, so that's a nice bonus as well. I like the cleaner tone of the Noble. I don't play with a lot of grit, I just want a hit of it so I don't sound so sterile, and to me the Noble does that great. I just sound better - but you know. You've piqued my interest in the Shaw however. The fact that it has a mid control is a huge deal - right now I'm EQing before the Noble and then not really touching it because I just need to boost my low mids a bit. :)
 
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It's true, the Noble is totally beautiful in every way. I was sold once I heard those Juan Nelson clips on the website! I can get away with just that as a power supply as of right now, so that's a nice bonus as well. I like the cleaner tone of the Noble. I don't play with a lot of grit, I just want a hit of it so I don't sound so sterile, and to me the Noble does that great. I just sound better - but you know. You've piqued my interest in the Shaw however. The fact that it has a mid control is a huge deal - right now I'm EQing before the Noble and then not really touching it because I just need to boost my low mids a bit. :)

Give this a watch:

 
I already have. :D The thing sounds great, no doubt about it. I'm not sure they should even allow anyone to turn the "fat" or "midrange" switches off. Sounds excellent with both engaged in my opinion! I most respect the stones on Shaw to attempt "Dean Town" on camera! :D
 
I already have. :D The thing sounds great, no doubt about it. I'm not sure they should even allow anyone to turn the "fat" or "midrange" switches off. Sounds excellent with both engaged in my opinion! I most respect the stones on Shaw to attempt "Dean Town" on camera! :D

The midrange switch has no "off". Just three different profiles. The midrange and fat switch work together with the bass and treble control. You can turn the fat switch and crank the bass and you get more booty. It's just different. Kevin said the fat switch actually changes the signal path. It's not just an EQ.
 
Ah okay, interesting. To me it looked like left was marked when I watched it and that there were two positions, I couldn't tell. I'm sure one day a used one will pop up somewhere and I'll be "forced" to buy it for an A/B versus the Noble.

The mid switch is a three position. I like the middle position best as it gives a nice pronounced low mid. The other two positions are a sort of scoop and one seems relatively flat.

Come on down to Nashville and go visit Kevin. He'll let you bring your Noble. :)
 
IT's interesting to see that you think the Bergantino powered cab and the Noble aren't a great match. Lately, I have been thinking something similar myself...I really prefer my Demeter VTBP201 with my Berg IP112.

However, unlike you, I am thinking that I will probably keep the Noble instead!

BTW - What do you use with your Berg powered cab?


If some schlub spilled beer on my Noble he'd be swallowing it whole by force. I might actually have to get rid of my Noble unfortunately. It doesn't match up well with my powered Bergantino cab, and I'm not sure there's an easy solution to that. BUT I DON'T WANNA!
 
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Not to be a pedant, but it's sleeve, not shield. But Chad is right, basically balanced vs unbalanced 1/4" outputs. Very easy to tell which one a cable is by how many rings on it. Without thinking I have been testing the Berg with the supplied cable, which is TRS to XLR, not TS to XLR. With the Noble, this causes a low signal issue. With a TS cable you can push the Berg pretty hard with the Noble. Was confusing the hell out of me for a while. :D Idiot!
 
Not to be a pedant, but it's sleeve, not shield. But Chad is right, basically balanced vs unbalanced 1/4" outputs. Very easy to tell which one a cable is by how many rings on it. Without thinking I have been testing the Berg with the supplied cable, which is TRS to XLR, not TS to XLR. With the Noble, this causes a low signal issue. With a TS cable you can push the Berg pretty hard with the Noble. Was confusing the hell out of me for a while. :D Idiot!

DOH! You’re right! Sleeve...it’s late. I’m tired. Lol!
 
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The SLO3 is very good for that purpose. Has a flavor to it, so if you don't like that you won't like the SLO3, but it does a lot in a little package. I use it on a Pedaltrain Nano+ with the DG Hyper Luminal, a tuner, a parametric EQ, and an Aftershock.
Great choice. I have mine on my studio desk at the moment, and I think it'll stay there for a while. I also have a Nano+ board with my essential pedals (tuner, comp, eq, octave, od, fuzz and sample rate reducer). I like to run my board straight into the input of my SLO3 and a separate pedal (delay, reverb, or any modulation) into the SLO3's FX loop, when I need it. That's why I like to keep some pedals "free" and I don't put them in my board. I don't like having a big board full of effects I don't need very often, so I prefer to swap pedals or just add one or two on the floor, when I need them.
I do the same with the SLO3. I keep it on my desk for practice or I put it on top of my amp (or any other amp I borrow) to have my tone everywhere, so I keep it out of my board. It fits my P bass case, so it's easy to bring it everywhere I need it.
I bought the SLO3 because I wanted the best tone possible for both practicing at home and rehersals/gigs. I'm pretty sure that of all the preamps available at the moment, the SLO3 is the best for my needs.
 
IT's interesting to see that you think the Bergantino powered cab and the Noble aren't a great match. Lately, I have been thinking something similar myself...I really prefer my Demeter VTBP201 with my Berg IP112.

However, unlike you, I am thinking that I will probably keep the Noble instead!

BTW - What do you use with your Berg powered cab?

I just went floor pre only and listed my VTBP-201s in the classifieds. Every time I plug it in, I question what I'm actually doing and have to re-evaluate the move. Something about size and portability being more important...at least I keep telling myself that.
 
Let the Games Begin!

I love to tinker, and I'm always looking for that elusive "perfect" tone. Of course, we all know that tone needs to change to support the song and type of music you play, and one man's "perfect" is another man's "completely f'ed up beyond all recognition".

That said, I've been experimenting with DI boxes and pedals for several years. Here's what I've used so far:

  • Countryman 85 - my first ever DI back in the day. It was a simpler time back then.
  • Radial JDI - Similar to above...just a great DI. Nothing fancy.
  • Zoom B3 - Ah...so many good things in this inexpensive unit. Probably should have kept it.
  • SansAmp BDDI - I just never liked this pedal from day one. Not my bag.
  • VT Bass - See above. Didn't light my fire. No offense to Tech21 fans...just not for me.


The Current Champ - Tone Hammer
Here's what's on my board now:

  • Aguilar Tone Hammer - DI...and some added AGS for a little character. Sweet!
  • Eventide H9 - Anything you can freakin' imagine. A million pedals in one box and very, very high quality audio.
  • MXR Bass Compressor - basic, simple, effective....and the little meter shows you it's working
  • Turbo Tuner - If you are using any othter tuner, throw it in the garbage...get one of these. You'll thank me later.
  • Cioks DC5 - Isolated power that fits UNDER a Pedaltrain Mini

So, the experiment begins in a few days as the players are currently in transit. On deck to win the coveted spot currently occupied by my Tone Hammer are:

  • Two Notes Le Bass
  • Darkglass Vintage Ultra V2


I love the Tone Hammer, so why look elsewhere?
The Tone Hammer has one flaw....one damn flaw. The AGS circuit has no provision for any sort of unity gain. You get your Tone Hammer EQ set JUST right. Input and output levels are perfect. Sound man loves you. Band loves you. Now...it's time for that song in your set where you need to kick in that drive.....AND YOU'RE NOW THIS FREAKIN LOUD AND EVERYONE HATES YOU AS YOU SCRAMBLE TO TURN YOUR BASS VOLUME DOWN....WHAT??? I CAN'T HEAR YOU?? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?

So yeah...I'm over reacting. The Tone Hammer is a great DI and a great preamp. But you really can't use it as an overdrive effect. The way I'm using it now is with the AGS circuit engaged, gain set low to give me a little "tubey" sound. And it's really wonderful. Really really wonderful. The other positives of the Tone Hammer are the fact that I'm almost 100% sure you could toss it off the Empire State Building, pick it up, plug it in, and it would work. It's a big pedal, but made of heavy metal (pardon the pun) and will run off phantom power if you wish. It's fairly basic, doesn't require a computer or mobile device to configure, and it just works. When you're on a gig, that's what you want...something that just works. In 20 years, it will still work. No software required. No USB to hook up. No Bluetooth. There is a lot to be said for that sort of dependability and predictability. I don't like surprises on a gig.

But being a tinker, and having played with the Darkglass and LeBass at Sweetwater GearFest (which was amazing...better than Summer NAMM which I'll be at this weekend), I'm intrigued with both those pedals. I also messed with the API Tranzformer. I was expecting to be really blown away by it...but I wasn't. It was nice..solid...easy to use...but didn't make me say "DAMN!".

The Contenders
The two pedals being considered have many great reviews. They are highly regarded by many, but since it's my money I'm playing with, I'm dismissing their reviews for now and I'm going to form my own opinion.

Two Notes Le Bass
The Le Bass has one thing the rest of the contenders don't have...an actual tube. And with that tube comes tube problems. The pedal is power hungry. The Cioks DC5 powering my board would have to sacrifice two high current ports to power the Le Bass. My H9 is already consuming one of those high current ports, so that will leave the H9 to run on a different power supply...two power cords. Yuck! And then there is the fact that tubes wear out and eventually need to be replaced. Not a big job...just extra work at some point. Really moot if you ask me.

The thing that intrigues me most about the Le Bass is the ability to blend the clean and dirty channels in either parallel or series mode. That, combined with a MIDI interface could make quick setting changes a breeze, and the H9 is also MIDI, so they could play very nicely together with a small MIDI controller. The possibilities are staggering. The Le Bass also has a single cab sim which can be engaged even if the clean or dirty channel aren't. From tinkering with my B3, I really love cab sims. I almost always go direct when I play, and a good cab sim will roll off some top end and give the bass a nice round sound like a good cab would.

Darkglass Vintage Ultra V2
Every single review I've seen of this pedal, or any Darkglass pedal, has been positive. In fact, one reviewer basically said "throw away all your other bass pedals you don't need them". That's an awfully bold statement. The special bit about the Vintage Ultra is the "V2" part. The V2 adds in cab simulation. But it one ups the Le Bass by letting you load in different sims. Sadly, unlike Two Notes own Torpedo C.A.B., you can't load multiple cab sims and switch on the fly via MIDI or knobs on the pedal. But the C.A.B. is a different piece of kit and not in the scope of this comparison.

Darkglass manages all this, and it runs on a standard old 9v 100ma power. Not 18v like the Tone Hammer. Not 12v like the Le Bass. So how will that effect the mystical "headroom" people always talk about when comparing 9v to higher voltages? The audio doesn't lie, so we'll soon see.

What's Next
Big shout out to my Sweetwater Rep, Joe Shafer, for hooking me up with the demo Darkglass pedal and for telling me about GearFest. Ya'll really should go. I procured the Le Bass from Reverb. Once the comparison is complete, two pedals will be for sale. Which ones to be determined.

Once I receive the pedals, I'll take time to tinker with them and get the tone out of them I like the most. Will this be the tone you like? Maybe...maybe not. I'll be recording all the sound samples using the following:

  • 2016 Fender American Standard Jazz Bass V, passive, both pickups, with Nordstrand humcanceling pickups.
  • Allen & Heath ZED-10 fed from the balanced DI out on the pedals
  • GarageBand with no effects or EQ other than the pedal itself.
  • Exported to MP3 and loaded to SoundCloud
See ya'll in a few days.
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