The bassRIG could be, it just missing the mute footswitch, still very useful for IEM gigs.
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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison
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I’m with ya on this Steve. Seems to me that there are a few devices that could be AIO for a specific player or for someone who only has a limited need. Depending on your space, the DG stuff, HXS, Berg, or BassRig may cover all the bases, but it seems that there isn’t yet a digital AIO that has totally conquered EVERYTHING for someone who plays a wide variety of styles, instruments, venues, or effects. QC def seems to be close but seems there’s a consensus that it doesn’t quite nail it on some of the pitch/synth/filter effects, which once again only matters if that’s your thing. With the way things are progressing though, it’s only a matter of time!
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The Quad Cortex is for me. I've done many gigs with just it and nothing else. I've captured my favorite gear and its just like having them in a chain at my feet.
Yeah, I forgot about the QC. The Stomp is as close as I’ve come. I have a good sound, but could use some tweaking. Of course the WC is on a different level, but also one of overkill for me. Church and a once a month cover band. I need to be realistic about my “needs” and a little practical. I’m not a pro. I don’t record. How much do I REALLY need.
I know a lot of people have more tied up in pedalboards than the QC costs.
I think there are several true all-in-ones. People are just picky about certain aspects of their sound. I find with most multi-fx pedals (Stomp, QC, etc) people tend to add their favorite compressor at the least. Doesn't mean the onboard ones are bad or non-functional, people are just picky.
For sure. Even my meager board (Nano, SR Tuner, Rolls PM50s, Stomp and DC7) is around $1,000. Of course it totally depends on so many variables. I did a track for a video (our band is doing the track and some video for a “best of the city” type promo video) using a Kemper rack. SVT/Darkglass BK7. It sounded really good. Better than my Stomp for sure. Great for a project like that, but again, so I need it live? I’m sure some of us do. Again, not judging. It always comes down to balance, compromise and trade offs.
I tend to find a good tone and stick with it. I don’t know that I even need the Stomp. I use the SVT mainly. Compression. Dirt once in a while, but not really. I could probably use the BASSRIG SVT version and be happy.
I tend to find a good tone and stick with it. I don’t know that I even need the Stomp. I use the SVT mainly. Compression. Dirt once in a while, but not really. I could probably use the BASSRIG SVT version and be happy.
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Compression does seem to be a big one. I will admit, my Empress Bass Compressor was awesome. So was the Para EQ Deluxe. That into a REDDI was awesome. But when I swapped mid gig to my Stomp, no one noticed. That’s when I decided to stop hauling around a 10 pound, $1K tube DI and $600 worth of Empress pedals. $550 for a Stomp.
@SteveC True these ^^^… I continue to use my QC as a true AIO. I’ve honestly never used any additional pedals with it…
Yes! Quite a bit of work, but it was well worth it…used a 12” square lightweight aluminum/poly blend material from Home Depot. In hindsight, would prefer the plate to be a little more rigid (solid 1/8” aluminum), but this works very well. Bolting the Cioks tight underneath, helped a lot.
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Yep agree. I could use my QC by itself if push came to shove, and would have no problems at all.
Todays discussion got me thinking about how a player defines all-in-one devices. Maybe we all have different definitions? For example, a player might deem a device ‘all-in-one’ if it…
•1 …contains ALL possible effects/features onboard (tuner, filters, synth, octave, modulation, time-based, comp, drive, etc), whether needed or not?
•2 …possesses limited effects/features onboard, but has all effects/features that are needed?
•3 …doesn’t compel you to add other pedals?
Just a thought…
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•1 …contains ALL possible effects/features onboard (tuner, filters, synth, octave, modulation, time-based, comp, drive, etc), whether needed or not?
•2 …possesses limited effects/features onboard, but has all effects/features that are needed?
•3 …doesn’t compel you to add other pedals?
Just a thought…
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Todays discussion got me thinking about how a player defines all-in-one devices (AIO’s)…Maybe we all have different definitions, when speaking on the subject? For instance…
•1 device contains ALL possible categories onboard (synth, octave, modulation, time-based, comp, drive, etc), whether they’re needed or not?
•2 device has limited categories onboard, but ALL the categories that a player NEEDs?
•3 device requires NO additional pedal support to satisfy player?
•4 device is comfortably used standalone by player in all situations—without additional pedal support.
•5 device is THE player’s choice, if they could only have ONE device in their possession.
OR…
•6 who #^%*& cares—just fill/don’t fill your pb with whatever makes you gig happy!
The Bergantino SPre is really good. I just use a Two Notes CabM+ if I need an IRs
But now I definitely prefer to have a clean tone without cabsim and just an H/LPF on it with some compression and a bit of EQ so it work really good
I use mostly the CabM with an IRs to use with some distortion and fuzz in the SPre. And most of the time I didn't even need a noise gate (or maybe if you play djent lol) because...I dont know what they have done with their drive but Bergantino actually create some super cool effect that doesn't make lot of noise (!?)
Even the Fuzz at full drive (15) and volume (15) doesn't make super big Hiss or anything like that
Now if I not use the SPre I continu with my Cali76, my Tech21 YYZ shape shifter and my fortin zuul. But the Cali76 add some noise even if it is a great compressor, the Tech21 too (this one can be pushed really hard)
The only "bad" thing I can say about the Bergantino preamp is that the Low PassF is on both the ¼ and XLR out, I think it can be really good to choose if you want it on both, or just the XLR
The tuner can be a bit more precise (at least my Tuner in my Tech21 pedal is more accurate and a bit faster)
But that is all the complain I have about it for the moment, other than that there is all I need in that thing
I'm new here but have read some of this thread and found it useful. I'm thinking about gettign the Bergantino Super Pre or the Stomp. I know they have similar features but are different. Has anyone compared the 2 and what did you prefer?
I was sure I’d get the Super Pre when I heard rumors of it. I waited for it to be released. During that time, my church bought me and the guitar player a Stomp so we wouldn’t have to bring our own gear all the time. I found that I liked what it had it offer. More than I’d ever need, but it “ticked all my boxes” so I went ahead and got one for my personal use with the cover band.
Initially, I chose it over the SP (and others like Darkglass Infinity) because there is a way to run your wired IEM’s through it as well. As I used a tuner and a Rolls PM50, the Stomp could actually be an AIO for me. Replacing everything. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to make that work. I have one little thing wrong I suppose. I decided to just mount it on my Nano with my SR tuner and Rolls. I power it with a DC7 mounted under the Nano. It’s not AIO but my custom cables were built for the Tuner/Rolls side by side configuration. It’s also still very portable and compact. There are also a couple less “adapter” cables so it’s a little cleaner.
If I end up not using effects (I haven’t had a chance to really use this with my cover band yet) I would entertain the Super Pre. If you don’t need effects (I don’t consider compression and drive effects for bass really) the Bergantino has everything many bass players use. EQ/Preamp, compression, drive, low and high pass filters, XLR DI, and presets.
Ability to run wired IEM’s is a special need that can’t be expected in any commercial product. The fact that the Stomp can be configured that way is unique.
Initially, I chose it over the SP (and others like Darkglass Infinity) because there is a way to run your wired IEM’s through it as well. As I used a tuner and a Rolls PM50, the Stomp could actually be an AIO for me. Replacing everything. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to make that work. I have one little thing wrong I suppose. I decided to just mount it on my Nano with my SR tuner and Rolls. I power it with a DC7 mounted under the Nano. It’s not AIO but my custom cables were built for the Tuner/Rolls side by side configuration. It’s also still very portable and compact. There are also a couple less “adapter” cables so it’s a little cleaner.
If I end up not using effects (I haven’t had a chance to really use this with my cover band yet) I would entertain the Super Pre. If you don’t need effects (I don’t consider compression and drive effects for bass really) the Bergantino has everything many bass players use. EQ/Preamp, compression, drive, low and high pass filters, XLR DI, and presets.
Ability to run wired IEM’s is a special need that can’t be expected in any commercial product. The fact that the Stomp can be configured that way is unique.
Huge Berg fan here. Not a fan of Stomp Boxes, nor preamp/preamp sections with bells and whistles. I’d much rather have the control that separate devices offer over the relative convenience of all in one devices. I have zero interest in the Berg preamp, although I imagine it is a near SOTA device. I followed with interest the development of the Berg pre though, my hope was that there would be a rush to buy it, and some tasty gear would wind up here in the classifieds in order to recoup or make room for it, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Different strokes for different folks. Frankly I’m surprised the unit didn’t retail for more, even though the price appears to be a sticking point, and I imagine it is the perfect device for some of the more tech savvy here, but as a tube aficionado, and a confirmed digiphobe, I’ll take a Jule or Oracle instead, please.
I currently have three preamps…Broughton Studio One, SuperPre, and QC. The SP seems more of a hybrid to me…in its own lane…somewhere between a traditional analog pre, and a QC-type device. Operationally, it’s much closer to an analog pre, imo.
Bottomline, it’s easy to achieve great bass tones. Presets (21) are convenient, and I’m finding it enjoys getting fed tube (and non-tube) pedals. It makes a good pb control center, although without MIDI, flexible I/O’s, or flexible onboard signal chains…hence, my hybrid thought. For sure, digiphobe’s should not be scared of this preamp…
Easily could be used standalone, if it contains the features that a player’s needing.
[Edit/add: I’ll never let go my S1 preamp (already have pm’s about it)…understandable—it’s also a top-notch special sauce preamp.]
Bottomline, it’s easy to achieve great bass tones. Presets (21) are convenient, and I’m finding it enjoys getting fed tube (and non-tube) pedals. It makes a good pb control center, although without MIDI, flexible I/O’s, or flexible onboard signal chains…hence, my hybrid thought. For sure, digiphobe’s should not be scared of this preamp…
Easily could be used standalone, if it contains the features that a player’s needing.
[Edit/add: I’ll never let go my S1 preamp (already have pm’s about it)…understandable—it’s also a top-notch special sauce preamp.]
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