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The Les Paul Twins

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This is totally unscientific, but I did manage to find some photos of Gibson models and the back neck angles over the years.

The top bass is the original EB-0 from around 1960 which was based on the Les Paul Junior Body Shape. Lots of neck angle on this one
The second bass is the 2015 Les Paul Short Scale "Menphis" Hollowbody Bass - some angle for sure
The third bass is a recent SG Bass in cherry satin. Not much doing as far as a neck angle on this either
The fourth bass a Gibson Thunderbird bass which has some angle as Christine mentioned
The last bass is a Gibson Flying V bass which appears to have some angle for sure

intersting, huh?

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Ha! Posting that very image of a Gibson neck cross section was what made me so “popular” on the T-Bird club thread! Tribal enthusiasts do NOT appreciate photographic evidence of inconvenient (and entirely unnecessary) structural flaws in their chosen object of worship. I was roundly chastised and derided, of course. A Ric headstock section would look similar, but less headstock angle.
 
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Gilmourisgod said:
Ha! Posting that very image of a Gibson neck cross section was what made me so “popular” on the T-Bird club thread! Tribal enthusiasts do NOT appreciate photographic evidence of inconvenient (and entirely unnecessary) structural flaws in their chosen object of worship. I was roundly chastised and derided, of course. A Ric headstock section would look similar, but less headstock angle.
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That must have been a while ago or you made a good impression, I'm a proud member of that club, I think it's accepted now that it is a design flaw. The newer heads are better if as fondly accepted, lighter and stronger due to that drop in angle
 
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BassHappy said:
Quite a contrast to the straight as an arrow Fender-type design:

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JIO said:
And reason why most every Fender neck pocket has a small spacer/shim in the lower end.

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OOH! When you see it like that it looks painful, I've resisted shimming mine but seeing that has made me think again. That could be easily addressed in this day and age too, CNCs would make short work of putting an angle into that neck. I can fully understand Leo Fender doing that in 1902 whenever it was but that should have evolved a little too like the Gibson headstock joint. Customer driven no doubt.
 
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Christine said:
OOH! When you see it like that it looks painful, I've resisted shimming mine but seeing that has made me think again. That could be easily addressed in this day and age too, CNCs would make short work of putting an angle into that neck. I can fully understand Leo Fender doing that in 1902 whenever it was but that should have evolved a little too like the Gibson headstock joint. Customer driven no doubt.
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1946... Aside from that, everything in our world has to be evaluated in terms of history. Much of "progress" in rock guitar/bass design is still driven by nostalgia - not actual technological moving forward. So I continue to give LF his due because he knew the tradition of guitar making (ala Gibson etc) and introduced a version that worked based on a modern concept of production and intent - popular music, which he saw as country, jazz and oh yah.. that new music called R&R. Context is the key to unbiased appreciation/understanding.
 
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GonePlaid said:
I Love puns but I hadda comment.
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So mid day it occurred to me that your use of 'lame' was yet another pun bridging off 'hobbled' - I don't know that to be a fact but FTR, no malicious intent was implied in my riffing off of a guitar made from a crutch. (as in, not mocking those needing assistance) This is what I referred to as a certain acceptance of crassness or 'bad taste' related to puns in general. At the very best word play can be clever, but even excessive cleverness is pretty... lame. ;)
 
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