The official gym & weightlifting thread! rep #2

[1958Bassman]

I use a Brita pitcher too, about the only way to make city water palettable! (Grew up in the countryside).

But Brita etc isn't what I think of when I think distilled. MiliQ water at 18.2 MOhm, that stuff is distilled, deionised 'ultrapure' and absolutely rank (granted, not really for drinking though)

The water where I live is great but the plumbing in my house is old and needs to be replaced. For some reason, the water from the kitchen faucet needs to be run for a while so it comes out without rust but the bathroom is always clean. The odd thing is that I replaced everything in the kitchen from the wall to the sink when I remodeled.

Distilled is distilled- there's no other water that's exactly the same, although a good alternative is what comes through a reverse osmosis filter. The taste of the water from my Brita is very neutral and the muni water has a definite chlorine note and nose. It finishes well, though.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Remember your age and injuries. Thursday, I tweaked an old injury doing power cleans, an exercise that I knew I should not done. I'll be alright in a day or two, but it was a needless trauma I put myself through.

 

[Darth Handsome]

depends on the person's activity level but the explanation I got from the trainer was, the body is like a campfire and if you only stoke it 2 or three times per day, the fire intensity decreases before it's stoked again. If it is never fed/stoked, the fire will go out and what's left will just smoulder. If more fuel is added periodically all day, the fire's intensity can stay high. Obviously, if too much fuel is added, it won't be consumed before more is added, so it will build up.

Depends on how much you "stoke it" each time. If you're still throwing the same amount of firewood on it, it's a wash.

 

[1958Bassman]

Depends on how much you "stoke it" each time. If you're still throwing the same amount of firewood on it, it's a wash.

Exactly. That's why most fat people are fat, IMO- they don't think about how much energy they use vs how much they take in. When someone keeps eating because they still have room for more, it becomes a problem. Also, the quality of food many eat is nasty. Too many chemicals, too much sugar/salt/fat and preservatives.

I think more people should learn what it feels like to not be full. It's better to graze throughout the day than to eat a lot in one sitting.

 

[Darth Handsome]

It's better to graze throughout the day than to eat a lot in one sitting.

This is a matter of personal preference. It works for you & me, but it might not be the best system for someone else. Both ways work, ime, as long as you're in a deficit when cutting. 5 or 6 meals a day is a royal pita for a type I diabetic, for example.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

I much prefer the many meals a day method. I find it keeps me from over eating at meal time, and I also feel much more energetic and 'loose' throughout the day as well.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

I forgot to put this in my last post...

The main reason why I eat 5-6 meals a day is because I'm working to put on muscle. This means I need to be getting a steady intake of protein multiple times throughout the day because your body is only able to take in so much at a time. I try to get between 25-30 grams of protein in me per meal, for a total of 150 grams (give or take) a day.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Distilled is distilled

Dare say what we are talking about is purified or refined water. Which, if you drink it straight from the tap, it has been purified or refined in some manner or another.

Distillation requires the water to be boiled and the steam condensed. Which I don't think many folks do

 

[Darth Handsome]

This means I need to be getting a steady intake of protein multiple times throughout the day because your body is only able to take in so much at a time.

I have yet to see or read or hear where this theory has been proven. I wouldn't be so quick to assume this is a "need". Like I said earlier in this thread, when it comes to things like this, you could talk to ten so-called "experts" & you'd get ten different answers. You could also find fifteen different studies that came to fifteen different conclusions.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

This is a matter of personal preference. It works for you & me, but it might not be the best system for someone else. Both ways work, ime, as long as you're in a deficit when cutting. 5 or 6 meals a day is a royal pita for a type I diabetic, for example.

Smaller meals would give less of a blood sugar increase, you'd cut the insulin dose and as long as your bloods aren't dropping into the dangerous region, you'd be fine. Suddenly changing into it would be more of a problem that if it was routine, it'd also depend on the schedule of insulins the subject was using.

(I have family with T1 DM, have known and dealt with someone who has the disease my entire life)

I have yet to see or read or hear where this theory has been proven. I wouldn't be so quick to assume this is a "need". Like I said earlier in this thread, when it comes to things like this, you could talk to ten so-called "experts" & you'd get ten different answers. You could also find fifteen different studies that came to fifteen different conclusions.

That's where you need to read between the lines. Learn to know the value of the source and that the results presented are what happened in that specific set of examples. I don't know your background but I've met a number of people who'll try to compare multiple papers but lack the scientific training to understand what is actually going on.

The most important thing, as a non-expert, is to just do it. Don't worry about the finer points. Eat less, do more, make it become routine. Adjust to fit as you go along.

 

[Darth Handsome]

Yeah, you cut the insulin dose, but you're now taking 6 needles a day instead of three. That's what I mean by it being a pita. Eating that often requires a lot of preparation & whatnot as it is. I'm just saying that approach to diet isn't the best foir everyone.

I completely agree with the second half of your post.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

I have yet to see or read or hear where this theory has been proven. I wouldn't be so quick to assume this is a "need". Like I said earlier in this thread, when it comes to things like this, you could talk to ten so-called "experts" & you'd get ten different answers. You could also find fifteen different studies that came to fifteen different conclusions.

Well with fitness that's going to be the case because everyone's body is different and responds to different things. Advice you get that one source might be 100% right for some people, but it may not the best thing for you. As Mohawk said, you have to read between the lines a bit.

One thing I'll say is that ever since I started following this sort of approach with my nutrition I've seen A LOT more gains than I ever did the first 3 years of my bodybuilding 'career'. The workouts, for the most part, have stayed the same; the only real change has been my nutrition.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

Yeah, you cut the insulin dose, but you're now taking 6 needles a day instead of three. That's what I mean by it being a pita. Eating that often requires a lot of preparation & whatnot as it is. I'm just saying that approach to diet isn't the best foir everyone.

I completely agree with the second half of your post.

It really doesn't need to take a lot of preparation. If you read my sample daily meal plan you'll see how easy, cheap, and quick it is to make this sort of thing possible - even on the busiest of schedules. If I can do it then anyone can!

 

[Darth Handsome]

It really doesn't need to take a lot of preparation. If you read my sample daily meal plan you'll see how easy, cheap, and quick it is to make this sort of thing possible - even on the busiest of schedules. If I can do it then anyone can!

Yes, it does require a lot of preparation. I've been doing this a long time myself. And I'll tell you eating six times a day does not work great for a working single mother or someone like that. I know the ways to make it more or less streamlined, but for some poeple it just isn't easy to do, in practice. And I'm just here saying that the several meal approach isn't necessary the way a lot of people like to insist that it is. It's a myth.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

It's practical. My meals take me less than 3 minutes to make, with exception to when I make eggs. If you don't have 3 minutes to make a meal then you don't have time to eat at all, let alone be a bodybuilder; which is the whole point of this thread... And if you're a bodybuilder then you need to be getting about a gram of protein per lb of muscle in your body each day.

 

[Darth Handsome]

It's practical. My meals take me less than 3 minutes to make, with exception to when I make eggs. If you don't have 3 minutes to make a meal then you don't have time to eat at all, let alone be a bodybuilder; which is the whole point of this thread... And if you're a bodybuilder then you need to be getting about a gram of protein per lb of muscle in your body each day.

I didnt realize it was a bodybuilding thread. Reading the posts, it seems to be a gym & overall fitness thread, not strictly bodybuilding.

 

[BlacksHole]

I agree with Darth. this is about weightlifting more than it is about bodybuilding and general fitness - even for those of us who do not necessarily want a body builder physique and/or have little chance of getting one due to all sorts of physical and schedule impositions. However, bodybuilders are definitely welcome (just please do not expect us all to want to follow that style of dietary planning).

 

[Chebass88]

Remember your age and injuries. Thursday, I tweaked an old injury doing power cleans, an exercise that I knew I should not done. I'll be alright in a day or two, but it was a needless trauma I put myself through.

Thanks for posting this reminder. How are you feeling after your event? Are you better now?

 

[jmattbassplaya]

I agree with Darth. this is about weightlifting more than it is about bodybuilding and general fitness - even for those of us who do not necessarily want a body builder physique and/or have little chance of getting one due to all sorts of physical and schedule impositions. However, bodybuilders are definitely welcome (just please do not expect us all to want to follow that style of dietary planning).

You definitely don't have to follow that sort of nutrition regime. In fact, I've said a few times in the past that it's important to do what works for you and your goals. If you're just looking to put on a little muscle and cut down a little fat then things like a few meal substitutions and hitting a treadmill a few times a week will often be enough.

*Edit* One more thing. Weightlifting is only half of the equation. Nutrition is just as important, if not more important, than lifting weights. Remember, you can still eat more calories than you burn off while working out! That meaning, you can lift weights all you want and see no results because your diet sucks. All this stuff is interrelated. You can say this is a weightlifting thread and not one about bodybuilding or general fitness - okay, but you're gonna be wasting your time lifting weights then.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

I didnt realize it was a bodybuilding thread. Reading the posts, it seems to be a gym & overall fitness thread, not strictly bodybuilding.

Doesn't matter if you're a body builder or a person simply looking to get into better shape - it's still good nutritional advice to follow. As I said to Blackshole, it might not be 'needed' depending on your goals, but it's still a good thing to aim for. Regardless, you're taking the discussion off the original topic.

Do you have any sources showing that 3 meals a day is as good if not better than 5-6?