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The official gym & weightlifting thread! rep #2

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1958Bassman said:
But, re: protein consumption, how can someone determine how much they actually need, without going to a medical consultant? Too much protein is hard on the kidneys, as I understand it, especially in high temperatures and not enough depletes muscle, right? A larger person needs more protein in order to maintain muscle level but I'm wondering if there's some formula that considers weight, body fat/bone density, age, activity level, general health and muscle mass.
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Hence the "1-1/2 to 2 grams per pound of body weight" adage. No one would be able to tell you how much you "need". I still maintain half of that is probably fine. Buzzbass disagrees with me. You have to play with it on your own.
 
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buzzbass said:
the stones were probably due to lack of hydration over a long periods of time. I spun my wheels for years until I latched onto this advice. My gains have been steady and on-going since then. 155lbs @ 18% bodyfat to 225 lbs @10%, the results speak for themselves. This is @ 5'-8". My deadlift is currently 630 lbs for 6 reps, Squat is 495 for 6 reps, leg press 1000 lbs for 10 reps, bench is 125 lb DBs for 8-10 reps etc. I am 50 yrs old and can easily bury most folks 1/2 my age. I have been at it steadily for 25 yrs. I've been eating this way for 20 yrs. You tell me if it works.

PS, I've never juiced.
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Here's a question then:

How do you space out your meals during the day, and how much protein are you taking in per meal?
 
#1,004
buzzbass said:
I'll give you that as a bare minimum. But if you're trying to gain lean mass, more is better. your body does not convert excess protein to fat, it cannot. you just wind up taking bigger dumps. excess carbs, on the other hand, get shuttled straight to the fat stores. most folks take in far too many carbs and need to retrain their bodies to work on other sources of nutrients. Again, my results current & past, speak for themselves. I welcome anyone who thinks they can hang with this "old man" in the gym.
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Actually, yes it can.

Proteins, once completelly broken down can be converted to fats. Granted, you need to be in a fair amount of excess for it to happen, but your body can do that. The human body is pretty good at not squandering it's resources.
 
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1958Bassman said:
But, re: protein consumption, how can someone determine how much they actually need, without going to a medical consultant? Too much protein is hard on the kidneys, as I understand it, especially in high temperatures and not enough depletes muscle, right? A larger person needs more protein in order to maintain muscle level but I'm wondering if there's some formula that considers weight, body fat/bone density, age, activity level, general health and muscle mass.
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Wow, um how do I say this...?
When I poop like an elephant I take it that my protein comnsumption was too high. I'll then cut it back a bit until "things" return to "normal". Very un-scientific, I know. But, it's been working. I think the trick is really learning how to be tuned in to the signals your body is sending you.
 
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jmattbassplaya said:
Here's a question then:

How do you space out your meals during the day, and how much protein are you taking in per meal?
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50-70 grams of protein per "meal", this is usually in the form of a whey isolate protein drink & 2 cups of skim milk. I usually eat 5-7 meals a day, usually spaced 2-3 hours between them. I'd say I get 4-5 of these meals as drinks, and then eat 1 or 2 solid meals. As a bonus, my overall intake is so clean that I can usually make 1 of those "solid" meals pizza, burgers or anything else I want. I don't need to have cheat days, because I'll allow myself some freedom daily. It really helps me stay clean mentally, as I don't feel like I always have a nutritional gun to my head.
 
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nope, just had my bloodwork done too, everything looks good. you do NEED to stay well hydrated though. I notice that I'm very susceptable to the effects of dehydration now. It can hit me hard, when I don't keep up on things.
 
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buzzbass said:
50-70 grams of protein per "meal", this is usually in the form of a whey isolate protein drink & 2 cups of skim milk. I usually eat 5-7 meals a day, usually spaced 2-3 hours between them. I'd say I get 4-5 of these meals as drinks, and then eat 1 or 2 solid meals. As a bonus, my overall intake is so clean that I can usually make 1 of those "solid" meals pizza, burgers or anything else I want. I don't need to have cheat days, because I'll allow myself some freedom daily. It really helps me stay clean mentally, as I don't feel like I always have a nutritional gun to my head.
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DAYUM, that's a lot of protein! I thought I was doing good if I were hitting 30g a meal (with my average being more around 20-25g).
 
#1,013
buzzbass said:
Wow, um how do I say this...?
When I poop like an elephant I take it that my protein comnsumption was too high. I'll then cut it back a bit until "things" return to "normal". Very un-scientific, I know. But, it's been working. I think the trick is really learning how to be tuned in to the signals your body is sending you.
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That's gotta leave a mark!
 
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I consume quite a bit each day as well. I typically get close to 270 g with a morning protein shake (1 cup protein + 3 cups 2% milk + 1 cup frozen blueberries), a pound of meat + veggies at lunch, and whatever my wife cooks in the evening.

I might be getting less-than-optimal distribution by not spacing it out through the day, but this is what is working in terms of scheduling.

ian
 
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Chebass88 said:
I consume quite a bit each day as well. I typically get close to 270 g with a morning protein shake (1 cup protein + 3 cups 2% milk + 1 cup frozen blueberries), a pound of meat + veggies at lunch, and whatever my wife cooks in the evening.

I might be getting less-than-optimal distribution by not spacing it out through the day, but this is what is working in terms of scheduling.

ian
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This is what I was referring to earlier. Sometimes life gets in the way of eating six times a day, and fewer, larger meals are necessary, which I dont think makes a difference.
 
#1,018
Darth Handsome said:
I'm sure he does, but you need 4 oz piece of chicken to get 30 grams of protein. He's right, what buzzbass is describing is a lot of protein, that's why he's taking a lot of it in the form of milk & whey powder. It's cleaner & cheaper.
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Hmmm- I thought chicken had more than that, especially if it's trimmed.

For protein, is anyone eating wild game, rather than farm-raised critter? How about fish?
 
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1958Bassman said:
Hmmm- I thought chicken had more than that, especially if it's trimmed.

For protein, is anyone eating wild game, rather than farm-raised critter? How about fish?
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Noooooo. Pay closer attention to the nutrition labels on foods in the near future and you'll see that very few things will give you lots (at least 25g per serving) of protein without packing on a lot of extra calories and fat as well.

Him being able to take in that much protein without hitting a calorie surplus everyday is unreal.
 
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