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The Official MTD USA Thread

+1 This is also what I am hearing, though again, for my playing style, right hand position, preferences, and associated rig, wenge/wenge works just fine for killer fingerstyle tone.

Tom.

Yep! And the right hand position may be an important factor in this - I know that we both play over the neck pickup. Guys that play over the bridge might not get the fingerstyle growl out of a wenge/wenge MTD like guys that play over the neck p/u. IMO, playing over the neck p/u lets you dig into the string more and really let the wood resonate vs. playing over the bridge p/u where the string is more taut.
 
Well Tom and Vic, the two of you have nailed it for me. I was really thinking about it last night and came to the conclusion that I do love the more traditional tone when it comes to frettless. I've played my frettless Fender Jazz for nearly 30 years and just dig the tone. I love the broad spectrum of tone I get from the Marilyn 6 I have as it is similar in many ways to the Jazz. So I'm thinking I want to go with an MTD 635-24 lined frettless Marilyn with the same wood combinations of my current one.

Thanks guys, you've been a big help.

Steve
No prob, and even though I haven't said so yet, I agree with Tom's comments about a Marilyn as a fretless. Holy cow, that'd be amazing.
 
Yep! And the right hand position may be an important factor in this - I know that we both play over the neck pickup. Guys that play over the bridge might not get the fingerstyle growl out of a wenge/wenge MTD like guys that play over the neck p/u. IMO, playing over the neck p/u lets you dig into the string more and really let the wood resonate vs. playing over the bridge p/u where the string is more taut.
I think you (and Tom) hit a nail on the head here... while I do move my right hand around, I do spend more time closer to the bridge pickup, and that is where I noticed it most.
 
Yep! And the right hand position may be an important factor in this - I know that we both play over the neck pickup. Guys that play over the bridge might not get the fingerstyle growl out of a wenge/wenge MTD like guys that play over the neck p/u. IMO, playing over the neck p/u lets you dig into the string more and really let the wood resonate vs. playing over the bridge p/u where the string is more taut.

I agree to an extent, but I actually get a really nice growl out of the bridge pickup/hand position on my wenge neck'd 435. Now the korina body isn't quite aggressive enough, and the next one I get will have an ash body. But I think the growl is great, if you like the modern hifi low mid sound, which I do.:cool:

I will mention though that if I want to bring out the "ping"-y kind of high end on the wenge neck'd bass, I put the pickups on center and dig in over the neck pickup. Killer for that Wooten-ish fingerstyle sound.
 
No prob, and even though I haven't said so yet, I agree with Tom's comments about a Marilyn as a fretless. Holy cow, that'd be amazing.




Yup, if I ever decide to order a fretless, it is very possible it will be a Marilyn, but I'm thinking maybe one of these:

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Sort of like an MTD "Rob Allen" model.
 
I agree to an extent, but I actually get a really nice growl out of the bridge pickup/hand position on my wenge neck'd 435. Now the korina body isn't quite aggressive enough, and the next one I get will have an ash body. But I think the growl is great, if you like the modern hifi low mid sound, which I do.:cool:

I will mention though that if I want to bring out the "ping"-y kind of high end on the wenge neck'd bass, I put the pickups on center and dig in over the neck pickup. Killer for that Wooten-ish fingerstyle sound.

If when you're talking about growl you mean that modern low mid focused sound, then I totally agree - you will get that out of a wenge neck regardless of where you are placing your right hand. But Vic, Tom and I were moreso talking about high mids, that biting type of growl.

The thing I love about this specific high mid wenge growl is that it's only there when you want it...if I play normal or on the lighter side, it isn't there at all, and the high mid's are very smooth. But once I dig in over that neck pickup, the growl just comes out and bites you!
 
If when you're talking about growl you mean that modern low mid focused sound, then I totally agree - you will get that out of a wenge neck regardless of where you are placing your right hand. But Vic, Tom and I were moreso talking about high mids, that biting type of growl.

The thing I love about this specific high mid wenge growl is that it's only there when you want it...if I play normal or on the lighter side, it isn't there at all, and the high mid's are very smooth. But once I dig in over that neck pickup, the growl just comes out and bites you!
+1

The chest pounding low mid growl (circa 400Hz or so) is prevalent in both the wenge and the ash.
 
Yep! And the right hand position may be an important factor in this - I know that we both play over the neck pickup. Guys that play over the bridge might not get the fingerstyle growl out of a wenge/wenge MTD like guys that play over the neck p/u. IMO, playing over the neck p/u lets you dig into the string more and really let the wood resonate vs. playing over the bridge p/u where the string is more taut.

Yup. :cool:
 
I'm thinking somewhere in the general vicinity of 1K? Maybe a little higher? I consider low mids to be 300-400. What are you hearing?

Well, I personally think there's a bump somewhere in the upper mid that borders near where the highs start. I was thinking it to be maybe 1200-1500 (although that's certainly still more upper mid than highs).

I don't think the upper mid is where the "choke" is necessarily, but I would agree that there's some "choke" in the form of compression overall in with Wenge.

I know most of you guys think that Maple is smoother, but to me, Maple is way more harsh, especially with the Northern Ash. I personally don't find Wenge to be harsh, articulate and cutting yes, but nothing close to my Walnut/Northern Ash/Maple 535 in the harsh catagory.
 
Well, I personally think there's a bump somewhere in the upper mid that borders near where the highs start. I was thinking it to be maybe 1200-1500 (although that's certainly still more upper mid than highs).

I don't think the upper mid is where the "choke" is necessarily, but I would agree that there's some "choke" in the form of compression overall in with Wenge.

I know most of you guys think that Maple is smoother, but to me, Maple is way more harsh, especially with the Northern Ash. I personally don't find Wenge to be harsh, articulate and cutting yes, but nothing close to my Walnut/Northern Ash/Maple 535 in the harsh catagory.
Ok, so how would you classify where the choke is?

If you're saying wenge has an overall compression, I don't agree with that. IMHO there's at least one push down in the low mids, and I also think the highs are accentuated... high highs tho... not high mids. IMHO, there's a definite zing up high that's characteristic to wenge.

I don't think wenge is harsh either, btw.

Are you saying you have or had a walnut/ash body with an ash/maple neck that was harsh?

What's your favorite wood combo?
 
I don't find my Ash/Walnut/Ash/Maple MTD to be harsh at all..........In fact, I'm blown away by its versatility in sound.....very smooth at times,but a very punchy sound can be dialed in as well........ It's wonderful, actually.......
 
I don't find my Ash/Walnut/Ash/Maple MTD to be harsh at all..........In fact, I'm blown away by its versatility in sound.....very smooth at times,but a very punchy sound can be dialed in as well........ It's wonderful, actually.......
+1

Also XavidmanX just recently picked up one of these as well and has the same things to say about it.
 
Ok, so how would you classify where the choke is?

If you're saying wenge has an overall compression, I don't agree with that. IMHO there's at least one push down in the low mids, and I also think the highs are accentuated... high highs tho... not high mids. IMHO, there's a definite zing up high that's characteristic to wenge.

I don't think wenge is harsh either, btw.

Are you saying you have or had a walnut/ash body with an ash/maple neck that was harsh?

What's your favorite wood combo?

I think I need to spend a little more time with my various MTD's and see exactly where I hear the compression. I've been playing my Skjold's so much that I realized I haven't played my MTD's all that much.

In general with Wenge, I hear tight lows and crisp but not harsh highs. I guess if I were to put a choke anywhere, I would say the choke is more in the low-mids at least compared with other wood combos. I do find myself adding a touch of low mids when I play my Wenge neck MTD's. I guess when I say compressed "in general" with Wenge, I mainly say that comparing it to a Maple neck.

My favorite wood combo...that's a tough one, but I suppose I really like Myrtle top/Tulipwood/Wenge/Wenge the best and right along that combo I like Maple top/Ash/Wenge Wenge. Tulipwwod and Ash in general have really worked well with my on most MTD's.

For a smoother sound, I dig both Ash/Maple/RW and Tulipwood/Maple/RW quite a bit as well. I've also liked what I've heard with a few Mahogany MTD's, one with a Wenge/Wenge neck was cool, and the other I want to say had a Maple/Ebony neck that was cool.

For the most part, I like every MTD I've come in contact with except for the above mentioned Walnut top/Northern Ash/Maple/Maple combo. It was terribly harsh and brittle. No matter what I did with my amp or the basses eq, I just couldn't dial in a tone that was usable for me. It have a pretty unique and percussive slap quality, but still it was overly harsh. I talked with Joel at TGS, and he did mention that the wood combo would tend to be on the bright side, and he swore that it had to do with the Northern Ash as compared to the Swamp Ash. He offered to take it in on trade for me, but I opted going another route.

The only other MTD that I wasn't wild about was a Tiger Myrtle top/Alder/Maple RW that was pretty much dull as it gets for a MTD. I'm not wild about Alder though in general.

I still have yet to really try an Ash/Ash/Maple MTD. I've played one once, can't remember where (may have been NAAM), but I just remember that it was hard to say whether I liked the tone or not because of the area I was in. I really need to find anothe rone of these and sit down to give it a good play...by the sounds of it, I really think it's something that I'd like a lot!
 
+1

Also XavidmanX just recently picked up one of these as well and has the same things to say about it.

I have to agree with Vic on 100% of the stuff that he's said regarding walnut/ash/ash/maple basses and the wenge/wenge basses...even if I don't understand all of it.:smug:

Honestly, I can't pinpoint where exactly in the frequency range the compression was occurring with my tulipwood/wenge/wenge bass, but the compression was definitely present somewhere in the low mids, and IMO, killed the fingerstyle tone, especially with dead strings, and DEFINITELY when compared to my current 535 (walnut/ash) which has a nice, big, punchy open tone.

With the walnut/ash bass, I can keep all of the settings flat and get a great tone, whereas I felt like I was EQ'ing the heck out of my wenge bass to try and compensate for the compression. Again, all IME, not necessarily everyone else's opinion.

Being able to leave the EQ flat on the walnut/ash 535 gives me a tone of tonal variations that I didn't expect from this bass. When I push the bass and mids that thing can get crazy punchy and I can get some P bass tones that I couldn't get before. It's my favorite combo to date, but I haven't played all of the MTD combos that I would liked to have played by now.