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The Preamp Subjective

In the past, I've gotten great tones with Aguilar DB680s, Demeter 201s, Alembics, Avalon 737s and the input channel on a Neve broadcasting console. Recently I got some very nice results recording with Lindell preamps and with the inexpensive ART Pro Channel.
 
I own / owned over 30 different bass preamps.
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I owned an Ashly SC-40 that I parted with in massive gear purge a few years ago. Nice preamp, very good eq. I was able to get it to mimic a wide range of different tones easily and it was reliable. They do show up on reverb.com from time to time at a decent price.

Right now, I'm running an ART ProChannel II. Very good sounding as long as warmish clean is your intended tone and you can tolerate a little noise. The built in compressor is very usable for bass as well. As of late, I've been using a few dB of compression to thicken things up and love having it all in one box.

Eq is a big deal in finding happiness. Some guys love a channel strip with moveable frequency ranges others like the frequency ranges to be nailed down and voiced for bass. Figuring out which camp you're in is a question to answer before spending money.

Ah, finally, someone that has used the ART ProChannel II. Very cool. These channel strips have come up in my searches a few times. I hear they're an excellent value for the money. ART is made by Yorkville up where I'm from too, so the price is very reasonable.
I think these deserve a look since they're in my own backyard.

Speaking of mic / instrument pres, I'm wondering about the Presonus ADL-700 and how that's shapping up. I think that had some backing by Victor Wooten or maybe he was backing Presonus in general, not sure.
 
In the past, I've gotten great tones with Aguilar DB680s, Demeter 201s, Alembics, Avalon 737s and the input channel on a Neve broadcasting console. Recently I got some very nice results recording with Lindell preamps and with the inexpensive ART Pro Channel.

Cool. The Neve Portico II was also my list of mic preamps to check out. I've heard this one is quite deadly for solid state.
Probably a tiny bit more coloured (in a good way) than the ultra transparent Millennia STT-1.......but since I haven't tried either, I probably shouldn't be commenting.
 
The Aguilar stuff really needs to have good tubes to sound right. The stock Sovteks are just garbage in that circuit. I favor the DB-659 (Mullard in V1 and Tung Sol in V2) over the DB-680 (JJ's) just for the bit more extension on the top and bottom and a bit more growl. All the eq options on the 680 tend to leave me obsessing about settings instead of just plugging in and playing. The DB-680 is pretty similar to the Demeter sound but with a top end roll off with a really woody (but not peaky) midrange texture.

I have always liked tubes more than solid state, but I would like to try a Pope MPP-1 and the Warwick Helborg sometime.

If this years Seattle bass get together ever happens, and he can make it, I would love to try some of the Passinwind creations (hint hint, the 6B, Charlie).

I had an SC-40 for a while back in the late 90's. It never really impressed me. It was just sort a a nice clean (somewhat dull imo) blank slate.

There is an Art Pro Channel 215 at Bass NW for $149 i have been tempted with. I know I would get trapped with all of the gadgetry options, though.
 
Cool. The Neve Portico II was also my list of mic preamps to check out. I've heard this one is quite deadly for solid state.
Probably a tiny bit more coloured (in a good way) than the ultra transparent Millennia STT-1.......but since I haven't tried either, I probably shouldn't be commenting.
The console I was recording through was pretty old, and I couldn't tell you a model name or number, but in my experience, everything Rupert Neve has anything to do with sounds pretty great.
Now that I think of it, I've also gotten good results with some Shep Neve preamps in a 500 rack format... wish I could remember the model name. Those followed by an LA-2a was pretty fantastic (that was also the path for the old recording console). Lately, the Lindells have really been nice.
 
If this years Seattle bass get together ever happens, and he can make it, I would love to try some of the Passinwind creations (hint hint, the 6B, Charlie).

Seattle is a doable one day round trip for me, so i should be there, barring a major scheduling snafu. There are usually plenty of interesting preamps at those GTGs; IIRC there was an STT-1 at the last one that I never got a change to plug into.

Back OT: Ashly made a couple of 1RU channel strips too, the DPX-100 and DPX-200. No ready made passive bass input on those though, but they do have a really nice compressor section.
 
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So, which ones are your keepers?

My "keepers" are:

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I love this really clean and tuby sound. The EQ is passiv and not sooo usable, but the "Room Balance" is very helpful!

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This one is a "one tone wonder" and sounds like an old Bassman. I love this clean deep sound.

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This is for me the typical "Ampeg-Sound". Really simple but nice sounding preamp.

Gallien Krueger 2001 RBP
I love this typical GK sound. I hate the GK Amps, because I had a bad experience with GK-amps (mostly the power section was bad...)

Epifani Quest
This is a very clear sounding preamp with a very usable EQ-section. And this one is a switchable 2-channel preamp

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Big fat Tube-Sound in a 1U unit.

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A full-tube and a tube-preamp in one unit. Really simple and cheap preamp, but sounds like a big fat amp on the right cab.

SWR Marcus Miller
A really versatile and good sounding preamp. A little bit to much "HiFi"...

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I love this crunch sounding preamp... Mostly I use this preamp as overdrive only in the switchable FX-loop of the Fender TBP
 
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Line 6 Bass Pod - I only use it for the amp modelling, usually in conjunction with one of the others on this list.
ART Pro Audio Tube MP w/USB "Project Series" (not just for bass) - awesome. love the tube for warmth/life, but not so much for drive.
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When I had a Component system, I tried two different preamps with my QSC 2402.

Ampeg SVP Pro. Too thin sounding and I had some input level challenges.

Warwick Quadruplet. Loved that pre! Thick tones, nice variation.

The one I wanted (tried at the store but it was gone before I could get it) was a Trace Elliott V-Type. Like butter. Fantastic smooth sound.

I don't do the Pre/PA thing any longer. The lighter weight heads pack enough power and I get all the tone I want from the integrated pre or from pedals. Sure saves on my back now.
 
I mostly play Fender and FrankenFender Ps, Js and PJs and play roots music and have a nice little stable of preamps that I dig owning that work well with the basses I play and the music that I play them on …

Alembic F1-X - A legendary design that has stood the test of time. Pros: classic Showman tone stack, no frills, built like a tank, excellent DI. Cons: the EQ is not all that versatile making it a one trick pony (albeit a great trick) and doesn't work all that well with Jazz basses due to its inherently scooped response, IMHO.

Trace Elliot V-Type - Some call it "the poor man's Alembic" and there is certainly some validity to that assessment due to it also being based on the Showman tone stack. However, the ability to dial up some distortion (whereas the Alembic can only be clean, cleaner or cleanest) with it's gain/master design and the increased midrange versatility differentiates it. A wonderful preamp and often a best buy if you can find one on the used market.

Ampeg SVP Pro - Goes together with my P-Basses like "bread & buttah" and for my money, the Ampeg SVT sound is _the_ sound. Pros: it is the classic rock sound, IMHO … 'nuff said. Cons: it's kind of noisy (and I have a quieter than average one).

Ampeg SVP CL - Pretty much all the positive attributes of the SVP Pro without the noise. Cons: you can't get the same grind you can get with the SVP Pro and its "DRIVE" control and the 5 position "ULTRA LOW" selector is more or less useless to me (as I think that it is the midrange of the SVT circuit that allows it to cut so well and the "ULTRA LOW" settings on the 5 position switch only cut midrange to varying degrees). I'll often use this one on a sound reinforced gig where I want the Ampeg sound because it has a good quality (and quiet!) DI.

Aguilar DB659 - Killer, just killer. It has only one sound, but it's a great one and works especially well with my P-Basses. It has the capability to sound really thick, but with a lot of midrange. It works really well with my SWR Stereo 800 poweramp, which adds a lot of clarity to the inherent thump of the DB659 and makes for really good, old school tone.

Demeter VTBP 201 with Jensen DI (the older, 1.5 rack space model) - I got this on a wild hair when a fellow TalkBasser was looking to trade his VTBP 201 for a Tech 21 RPM. I liked the Tech 21 just fine, but it was such a great bargain for me, I thought I'd check out what all the bru-ha-ha was on these bad boys. Pros: the DI is world class … you can't get much better, IMHO. It is voiced very nicely for Jazz basses with the 40/120 Hz frequency selector switch for the bass control … the 120 Hz position gives a Jazz (with stock, passive pickups) some of that low end thump that I like so much on my P-Basses. I might add that I prefer the older, 1.5 rack space version of this preamp to the newer, single rack space version … the same warmth and clarity, but noticeably more low end thump.

Tech 21 VT Bass V2 Pedal - I like this little stomp box as much as any of the above preamps. I use it more or less exclusively for its Ampeg B-15 emulation which works great for the roots music that I typically play. Pros: an unbelievable value for $169 and a decent facsimile of the "fliptop" sound and when paired with a good poweramp can be loud enough to use anywhere. Cons: it sounds like the SVT emulation that Tech 21 chose is with the "ULTRA LOW" switch engaged, which I don't personally care for. Also, I don't like to rely on batteries so I only use it with an AC adapter which can be a bit on the delicate side for transport, set up and tear down. Recommendation: be sure to get the V2 or VT BassDI as the V1 doesn't have the ability to bypass the 10" speaker emulation, which makes it inherently too bright, IMHO.

Barber Linden EQ Pedal - A recent acquisition that has turned out to be a wonderful unit. It is a stomp box containing the classic, old school Baxendall tone stack found on the legendary Ampeg B15 that we all know and love. It's totally solid state and is as simple as simple gets and sounds wonderful … talk about plug and play! Granted, it's a new toy for me, but I am really digging the you-know-what out of it. It's a very cool unit if you can find one (Barber Electronics doesn't make them anymore for some reason). I recently picked up a cheap used Whirlwind IMP-2 to give me DI capabilities with both the Linden EQ and the VT Bass.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. ;^)
 
Cool selection Dave. The Verellen is on my "like to try" list.
There's still a fair bit of hype on the Monique out there. Since it's more of an Ampeg-like design, it probably isn't for me.

Ah crap, I forgot the SansAMP BDDI I had! Sold that recently too. I never used it much.
Found it way too scooped. Heard many good things about the VT Bass and the rack pre too.

Will have to look at the 3Leaf. Thanks for the input.

The Verellen is nice. I'm running it for more of a vintage vibe sound right now, but it can do much more than that.

I don't really find the Monique to have an Ampeg vibe either. I've heard that said a lot though. I'm mainly running a V4B or an SVT these days and the Monique is significantly darker sounding to my ears.

The 3Leaf is pedal based and now discontinued. It's a very transparent/subtle preamp IME. It's a great swiss army knife type of box for me.
 
I am using a Tech 21 Bass Driver. I love it. I was about to sell my Ampeg B2RE but then read on here about a guy who runs the Bass Driver through the power amp input of the B2RE. Its awesome! I am following this thread now because I want to see what preamps popup so I can try and find more flavors. Great topic!
 
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I mostly play Fender and FrankenFender Ps, Js and PJs and play roots music and have a nice little stable of preamps that I dig owning that work well with the basses I play and the music that I play them on …

Alembic F1-X - A legendary design that has stood the test of time. Pros: classic Showman tone stack, no frills, built like a tank, excellent DI. Cons: the EQ is not all that versatile making it a one trick pony (albeit a great trick) and doesn't work all that well with Jazz basses due to its inherently scooped response, IMHO.

Trace Elliot V-Type - Some call it "the poor man's Alembic" and there is certainly some validity to that assessment due to it also being based on the Showman tone stack. However, the ability to dial up some distortion (whereas the Alembic can only be clean, cleaner or cleanest) with it's gain/master design and the increased midrange versatility differentiates it. A wonderful preamp and often a best buy if you can find one on the used market.

Ampeg SVP Pro - Goes together with my P-Basses like "bread & buttah" and for my money, the Ampeg SVT sound is _the_ sound. Pros: it is the classic rock sound, IMHO … 'nuff said. Cons: it's kind of noisy (and I have a quieter than average one).

Ampeg SVP CL - Pretty much all the positive attributes of the SVP Pro without the noise. Cons: you can't get the same grind you can get with the SVP Pro and its "DRIVE" control and the 5 position "ULTRA LOW" selector is more or less useless to me (as I think that it is the midrange of the SVT circuit that allows it to cut so well and the "ULTRA LOW" settings on the 5 position switch only cut midrange to varying degrees). I'll often use this one on a sound reinforced gig where I want the Ampeg sound because it has a good quality (and quiet!) DI.

Aguilar DB659 - Killer, just killer. It has only one sound, but it's a great one and works especially well with my P-Basses. It has the capability to sound really thick, but with a lot of midrange. It works really well with my SWR Stereo 800 poweramp, which adds a lot of clarity to the inherent thump of the DB659 and makes for really good, old school tone.

Demeter VTBP 201 with Jensen DI (the older, 1.5 rack space model) - I got this on a wild hair when a fellow TalkBasser was looking to trade his VTBP 201 for a Tech 21 RPM. I liked the Tech 21 just fine, but it was such a great bargain for me, I thought I'd check out what all the bru-ha-ha was on these bad boys. Pros: the DI is world class … you can't get much better, IMHO. It is voiced very nicely for Jazz basses with the 40/120 Hz frequency selector switch for the bass control … the 120 Hz position gives a Jazz (with stock, passive pickups) some of that low end thump that I like so much on my P-Basses. I might add that I prefer the older, 1.5 rack space version of this preamp to the newer, single rack space version … the same warmth and clarity, but noticeably more low end thump.

Tech 21 VT Bass V2 Pedal - I like this little stomp box as much as any of the above preamps. I use it more or less exclusively for its Ampeg B-15 emulation which works great for the roots music that I typically play. Pros: an unbelievable value for $169 and a decent facsimile of the "fliptop" sound and when paired with a good poweramp can be loud enough to use anywhere. Cons: it sounds like the SVT emulation that Tech 21 chose is with the "ULTRA LOW" switch engaged, which I don't personally care for. Also, I don't like to rely on batteries so I only use it with an AC adapter which can be a bit on the delicate side for transport, set up and tear down. Recommendation: be sure to get the V2 or VT BassDI as the V1 doesn't have the ability to bypass the 10" speaker emulation, which makes it inherently too bright, IMHO.

Barber Linden EQ Pedal - A recent acquisition that has turned out to be a wonderful unit. It is a stomp box containing the classic, old school Baxendall tone stack found on the legendary Ampeg B15 that we all know and love. It's totally solid state and is as simple as simple gets and sounds wonderful … talk about plug and play! Granted, it's a new toy for me, but I am really digging the you-know-what out of it. It's a very cool unit if you can find one (Barber Electronics doesn't make them anymore for some reason). I recently picked up a cheap used Whirlwind IMP-2 to give me DI capabilities with both the Linden EQ and the VT Bass.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. ;^)

Beautiful run down pbassnut, much appreciated!
So, which ones have you kept?
 
I am using a Tech 21 Bass Driver. I love it. I was about to sell my Ampeg B2RE but then read on here about a guy who runs the Bass Driver through the power amp input of the B2RE. Its awesome! I am following this thread now because I want to see what preamps popup so I can try and find more flavors. Great topic!

You've hit the nail on the head here my friend and is really the whole point of the thread.
If the BDDI works for you......that's great!

That's why preamps are ultimately subjective! :)

No preamp haters here........you just like what you like......and that may change. :)