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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society
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I have to be honest here guys, I am getting a kick out of reading the last few pages of people trying to decide between a Finally or a Neptunium and the information being shared that is informing their decision on which to get. I own both so just know I’m not trying to cause trouble with my smartass comments, only trying to be helpful. These pedals serve very different purposes, they are both amazing and none of them are “hype”. For those of you that believe a noble or neptunium is hype, that simply because you don’t have a clue what you’re doing or how these different pedals work.
DI- refers to hardware that converts your unbalanced bass signal into a balanced signal to be sent to a mixing console. That dude that was unhappy about the pedals not having an adjustable HPF will be happy to learn that adjustable HPF are great for managing your stage gear to remove low end mud, but the purpose of a DI, which is to send your signal to sound guy running the mixing console is probably only concern with having to deal frequencies in the lower register, which is what the HPF’s on these pedal are specifically designed to do in helping the sound guys out.
If you play a show, the sound guys will be very happy with you using the filter switch on these pedals.
Neptunium- What does it actually does or the reason you should get this pedal. This thing is awesome and introducing harmonic distortion through its tube-based circuitry, essentially making your sound fuller, warmer with a slightly smooth, compressed character. It achieves this boost of warmth by adding "tube saturation" to your signal, which can be particularly beneficial for recording or live situations where you want a more polished bass tone. It will also change the way playing you bass feels and how playing feels to your fingers.
How a Neptunium affects your bass tone:
Warmth and Smoothness:
The main effect is a noticeable increase in low-midrange frequencies, resulting in a warmer, rounder tone compared to a completely clean signal.
Harmonic Enhancement: By introducing slight tube distortion, it adds natural-sounding harmonics, which can make your bass sound fuller and more complex.
Compression-like Effect:
Due to the tube's inherent compression characteristics, this can assist in smoothing out your playing dynamics, giving a more consistent level of volume.
Vintage Character:
This pedal can help achieve a classic, "old-school" tone reminiscent of vintage tube amplifiers.
Adding volume when playing with others absolutely has it limits.
When people say these pedals fill the room, it because they are literally filling out the sonics spaces and filling the room, while not increasing the volume, just the perceived loudness of your signal. This pedal can make your bass sound absolutely huge while still fitting in the mix.
Finally V3
How a Finally V3 affects your bass tone:
Does the same stuff listed above, kinda, with less harmonic adjustment because of the different eq/filter, and most of all,
because surprise…
it’s an Overdrive pedal
And what a marvelous pedal it is.
To be fair in my comments, perhaps the dude wanting an adjustable HPF is very much correct because it really depends on what you're using it for and what your setup is. I would say that in an off beat way if you want a noble or neptunium with more filter adjustments, then something like a Darkglass harmonic booster would be in order as it’s a preamp in the same ballpark with more filters, doing a similar thing a very different way.
I hope this information reduces the amount of unicorns running around and is helpful with folks choosing their next Sushi pedal. A far as I’m concern all the Sushi pedal are top notch!
DI- refers to hardware that converts your unbalanced bass signal into a balanced signal to be sent to a mixing console. That dude that was unhappy about the pedals not having an adjustable HPF will be happy to learn that adjustable HPF are great for managing your stage gear to remove low end mud, but the purpose of a DI, which is to send your signal to sound guy running the mixing console is probably only concern with having to deal frequencies in the lower register, which is what the HPF’s on these pedal are specifically designed to do in helping the sound guys out.
If you play a show, the sound guys will be very happy with you using the filter switch on these pedals.
Neptunium- What does it actually does or the reason you should get this pedal. This thing is awesome and introducing harmonic distortion through its tube-based circuitry, essentially making your sound fuller, warmer with a slightly smooth, compressed character. It achieves this boost of warmth by adding "tube saturation" to your signal, which can be particularly beneficial for recording or live situations where you want a more polished bass tone. It will also change the way playing you bass feels and how playing feels to your fingers.
How a Neptunium affects your bass tone:
Warmth and Smoothness:
The main effect is a noticeable increase in low-midrange frequencies, resulting in a warmer, rounder tone compared to a completely clean signal.
Harmonic Enhancement: By introducing slight tube distortion, it adds natural-sounding harmonics, which can make your bass sound fuller and more complex.
Compression-like Effect:
Due to the tube's inherent compression characteristics, this can assist in smoothing out your playing dynamics, giving a more consistent level of volume.
Vintage Character:
This pedal can help achieve a classic, "old-school" tone reminiscent of vintage tube amplifiers.
Adding volume when playing with others absolutely has it limits.
When people say these pedals fill the room, it because they are literally filling out the sonics spaces and filling the room, while not increasing the volume, just the perceived loudness of your signal. This pedal can make your bass sound absolutely huge while still fitting in the mix.
Finally V3
How a Finally V3 affects your bass tone:
Does the same stuff listed above, kinda, with less harmonic adjustment because of the different eq/filter, and most of all,
because surprise…
it’s an Overdrive pedal
And what a marvelous pedal it is.
To be fair in my comments, perhaps the dude wanting an adjustable HPF is very much correct because it really depends on what you're using it for and what your setup is. I would say that in an off beat way if you want a noble or neptunium with more filter adjustments, then something like a Darkglass harmonic booster would be in order as it’s a preamp in the same ballpark with more filters, doing a similar thing a very different way.
I hope this information reduces the amount of unicorns running around and is helpful with folks choosing their next Sushi pedal. A far as I’m concern all the Sushi pedal are top notch!
All good except for the part about the Finally being an overdrive pedalI have to be honest here guys, I am getting a kick out of reading the last few pages of people trying to decide between a Finally or a Neptunium and the information being shared that is informing their decision on which to get. I own both so just know I’m not trying to cause trouble with my smartass comments, only trying to be helpful. These pedals serve very different purposes, they are both amazing and none of them are “hype”. For those of you that believe a noble or neptunium is hype, that simply because you don’t have a clue what you’re doing or how these different pedals work.
DI- refers to hardware that converts your unbalanced bass signal into a balanced signal to be sent to a mixing console. That dude that was unhappy about the pedals not having an adjustable HPF will be happy to learn that adjustable HPF are great for managing your stage gear to remove low end mud, but the purpose of a DI, which is to send your signal to sound guy running the mixing console is probably only concern with having to deal frequencies in the lower register, which is what the HPF’s on these pedal are specifically designed to do in helping the sound guys out.
If you play a show, the sound guys will be very happy with you using the filter switch on these pedals.
Neptunium- What does it actually does or the reason you should get this pedal. This thing is awesome and introducing harmonic distortion through its tube-based circuitry, essentially making your sound fuller, warmer with a slightly smooth, compressed character. It achieves this boost of warmth by adding "tube saturation" to your signal, which can be particularly beneficial for recording or live situations where you want a more polished bass tone. It will also change the way playing you bass feels and how playing feels to your fingers.
How a Neptunium affects your bass tone:
Warmth and Smoothness:
The main effect is a noticeable increase in low-midrange frequencies, resulting in a warmer, rounder tone compared to a completely clean signal.
Harmonic Enhancement: By introducing slight tube distortion, it adds natural-sounding harmonics, which can make your bass sound fuller and more complex.
Compression-like Effect:
Due to the tube's inherent compression characteristics, this can assist in smoothing out your playing dynamics, giving a more consistent level of volume.
Vintage Character:
This pedal can help achieve a classic, "old-school" tone reminiscent of vintage tube amplifiers.
Adding volume when playing with others absolutely has it limits.
When people say these pedals fill the room, it because they are literally filling out the sonics spaces and filling the room, while not increasing the volume, just the perceived loudness of your signal. This pedal can make your bass sound absolutely huge while still fitting in the mix.
Finally V3
How a Finally V3 affects your bass tone:
Does the same stuff listed above, kinda, with less harmonic adjustment because of the different eq/filter, and most of all,
because surprise…
it’s an Overdrive pedal
And what a marvelous pedal it is.
To be fair in my comments, perhaps the dude wanting an adjustable HPF is very much correct because it really depends on what you're using it for and what your setup is. I would say that in an off beat way if you want a noble or neptunium with more filter adjustments, then something like a Darkglass harmonic booster would be in order as it’s a preamp in the same ballpark with more filters, doing a similar thing a very different way.
I hope this information reduces the amount of unicorns running around and is helpful with folks choosing their next Sushi pedal. A far as I’m concern all the Sushi pedal are top notch!
@Sushi Box FX have any of your pedals been regularly used for mic pre-amps? I’ve been doing some podcasts lately with an SM7B and I ran it through the MORE but it’s not quite enough. I have been thinking about which of your pedals would be best for dynamic microphones in podcast environments. A small tube pre with xlr in /out with a 80hz roll off and an 3 band eq would crush. Either way, the podcast host kept saying how good the sound was so that’s something.
I've been known to use the Finally v1 for just the right amount of breakup, so it could be an overdrive of sorts.
Exactly. It is very difficult to overdrive a Finally that has a 12AU7 in it.
Equipped with a 12AU7, the Finally literally does everything to the signal that Wild Snapper lists the Neptunium as doing.
Equipped with AT7, AY7, 5751, or AX7; the Finally still does everything to the signal that Wild Snapper lists the Neptunium as doing, and can overdrive when the Gain is turned up.
The most significant difference between them is that the Neptunium has an EQ stack while the Finally doesn't.
Your v1 Finally likely still has a 12AX7 in it (or other non-AU7 tube), giving it the ability to easily overdrive; if you were to replace it with a 12AU7 like the later revisions of the Finally come with stock, you would have to feed it a very hot signal to get it to overdrive.
Interesting, you should read the pedal’s description on the website.
I have tried a bunch of different tubes in that one and settled on a 5751. It gives me just the amount of overdrive I want, while still leaving me some room to play.
Just came here to say I love my Grand Slampegg. It really brings the fat. The Broughton Messenger v2 is probably my favorite pedal and it's about the get kicked off the board. I'm addicted to the Messenger clean gain, but I can easily replace that w/ a BBA or HP/LP filter to get some space back.
I’ve done it many times, it can get overdriven sounds if you push the gain I get it, many preamps/DI can do that but I would not recommend it as an overdrive pedal
If you striped out the DI from the finally you get a Space Heater, came stock with a 12AX7 as did the V1 finally. I essentially use my SH to give me a just on the edge of breakup overdriven tube tone. It's a very straightforward overdrive pedal with just vol and gain but it's most definitely an overdrive pedal.
I know use it in the same fashion with a 12AU7 tube in it which just gets my rig to the right side of that sweet spot (to my ears) but I still like chucking it in front of a tube amp and get some major overdrive!
The 12AU7 does give both the SH and V2/3 finally.s a beautiful quality whether stand alone and clean or as part of a rig and overdriven, it's a fantastic pedal and the finally is so much more than just a DI.
Both this and Neptunium are both on my wanted list along with at least 3 or other of his offerings!
I’ve used my finally. V1 as an OD. It has a NOS Raytheon 12Ax7 in it.
+1
That was an accidental discovery finding out the Finally V1 added some OD further up in the chain.
Thanks for the reminder!
That's literally my garbage box
Those are all boards that either didn't work, worked but didn't sound the way I wanted, or worked but needed a modification in order to do what they're supposed to and therefore need a revision in order to be ready. I have MANY such boxes aroundNot that I'm aware of, but I am planning to do mic pre at some point in the future, it's certainly been requested enough. The main thing holding them back is probably an input transformer, ideally you'll want that for a mic input to a tube preamp.
Apologies for being AWOL for a bit, Mrs. Sushi and I celebrated our 13th wedding anniversary this weekend so I've been out and about.
- May 16, 2007
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I’m about to join the gang. I managed to borrow a Grand Slampegg last week and love the sound and feel of it. So I sold a couple of bits of gear (including my Broughton Fliptop) and ordered one. It has shipped today.
I do still wish it had a gain control to fine tune the drive and a bypass footswitch for when I want to switch to another preamp in my chain. I experimented with running something into it that could raise and lower the volume and got some nice results.
@Sushi Box FX any chance of a V2 further down the line that incorporates these things? I’d definitely get one.
I do still wish it had a gain control to fine tune the drive and a bypass footswitch for when I want to switch to another preamp in my chain. I experimented with running something into it that could raise and lower the volume and got some nice results.
@Sushi Box FX any chance of a V2 further down the line that incorporates these things? I’d definitely get one.
That's literally my garbage box
Now you made me drool on my keyboard.
- May 16, 2007
- 3,395
- 4,869
- Disclosures
- Volunteer developer/beta tester with Source Audio, Morningstar Engineering & MORTRIX
Congratulations, Nathan.
The Grand Slampegg circuit is different than the original Slampegg Bee Pre. It took several revisions and changes of mind during the design stage to land on what is now the Grand Slampegg because I had trouble balancing the sound I wanted with what was practical for the design, and I believe what I ended up with is an exceptional design. But the reason there is no gain control is that I decided the pedal was more "user-friendly" running clean, and I loved the sound I got out of it. It can be pushed into drive with a boost or overdrive in front of it (More does very well for this), but the pedal won't drive by itself.
There were more things I wanted to add, but one of the lessons I learned from Finally is that size matters, and the "next size up" from that enclosure is bigger than I wanted Grand Slampegg to be. There may be a revision in the future where I'm able to squeeze more in there, but that's a problem for future Nathan to deal with.
The pedal is bypassable though, there just isn't any room for a footswitch in the box. Both the 1/4" out and the XLR out have the option of selecting preamp output or dry passthrough by means of the toggle switches on the face of the pedal. The switches operate independently so you can go dry to your 1/4" out to an amp while keeping the preamp through the XLR or vice versa, or run both bypassed, etc.
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I'm not jealous of everyone's new @Sushi Box FX versions, really I am not so must placate my feelings with something none y'all have.
This sounds so good on bass and guitar.
This sounds so good on bass and guitar.
Nobody said the Sushi pedals are a hype. On the contrary, I'd say they are worth every penny and then some. There is however no denying the Noble is a hype when they are trading in the classifieds for close to double the sticker price. It is the bassists Klon Centaur, coveted by many and deemed overhyped and/or overpriced by at least equally as many.
To get back on topic, I had almost forgotten about Grand Slampegg but was just now reminded of how much I want one. And in the back of my mind the Elementary is still tickling my curiosity. If only there was a bulk discount for those of us who can't decide.
