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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society
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I'm in exactly the same boat as you here and have asked a similiar question to be told its awesome as a combination. In the not too distant future i expect to have my Space Heater going into a More. Then that will be the end.... Surely???
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If you don’t really use the gain on the SH, I prefer the more- appropriately named.
- Nov 12, 2006
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Even with a cioks7, my SH and more don’t play together very nice.. some really weird noise interaction between the two.I'm in exactly the same boat as you here and have asked a similiar question to be told its awesome as a combination. In the not too distant future i expect to have my Space Heater going into a More. Then that will be the end.... Surely???
While the SH and MORE are both gain pedals there are differences in sound. The SH is a gain and buffer stage where the gain is variable and can saturate or add a bit of crunchy warmth just up to overdrive. This is a pleasant and what some consider a vintage character, it also tends to add a bit of focus. The MORE has 2 gain stages and 2 buffer stages each running parallel resulting in greater headroom and clarity, MORE is designed to remain clean, what it adds is a richness and polish to any signal it is good to drive your signal path or to put a final bit of tube magic at the end.
Go fish.I'm in exactly the same boat as you here and have asked a similiar question to be told its awesome as a combination. In the not too distant future i expect to have my Space Heater going into a More. Then that will be the end.... Surely???
As usual some fantastic, informative information given from the secret sushi tribe 
Speaking of More, there still needs to be more testing to determine if this is worth pursuing, but I put this together last night.
I think by the sounds of it my prefered pedal would be a More with the gain of the Space Heater. Whic
That looks like a little beaut!
That looks like a little beaut!
12AU7 in this one. I thought about going to 12AT7, but 12AU7 already gets the output level in the same ballpark as More.
Nope, SMD for now. I never do the first prototype of something as handwired, always SMD first to make sure the circuit works and is worth pursuing. Handwired are more time consuming to design as well as being more expensive and time consuming to build.
More with 12AX7 in V1 has a substantial amount of gain, but only in terms of pushing something else into overdrive. Unlike an op-amp, a single tube gainstage can't overdrive by itself, which is why More stays completely clean even when cranked.
So, you removed the buffer, but kept the parallel gain stage? SWEET!
I'm hoping that retains a lot of what the original More does (I have buffers in other pedals, so in my case, I don't really need that part of the original circuit ... I think). If that's all correct and it leaves you enough room to make a HW version, consider me first in line.
Nope, the opposite. I kept the buffer but removed the parallel gain stage. I'm using the other half of the 12AU7 for a buffer instead of the 12AT7 buffer.
How does the tone of a tube buffer differ from any other type? I understand impedance matching and all those reasons for buffering. What does the tube bring to the table? I've always thought of tubes as gain stages, I guess because that's most common, so this is fascinating to me.
Just bought a deep dish compressor and tried it at rehearsal.
Bass -> Deep dish -> Full range floor wedge
It turns out that I am not a person that likes compression. I haven't liked compression from any other pedal and I don't love the compression from the deep dish.
However I loved what the deep dish did to my tone. It added really great tube tone to my sound. I loved my tone before, but the deep dish added a level of polish that I didn't know I was missing.
Despite me not liking compression, I think the deep dish with earn a spot in my rig. It's just a "betterizer" pedal
Bass -> Deep dish -> Full range floor wedge
It turns out that I am not a person that likes compression. I haven't liked compression from any other pedal and I don't love the compression from the deep dish.
However I loved what the deep dish did to my tone. It added really great tube tone to my sound. I loved my tone before, but the deep dish added a level of polish that I didn't know I was missing.
Despite me not liking compression, I think the deep dish with earn a spot in my rig. It's just a "betterizer" pedal
Why not just get a More, since it's the Deep Dish without the compression?
It sounds very good by itself, that's as far as I got with it so far. I plan to take some time this weekend for a more detailed A/B against the original More to see how it compares, I will certainly post my findings.
I don't have a solid answer to this as it gets into the weeds a bit. In theory, a tube buffer is still considered tonally "transparent", which is largely what buffers are designed for. That being said, people (myself included) have sworn they hear a difference when a tube buffer is used, like the Effectrode Glass A or the (now discontinued) Sushi Box Vampire Slayer. Some light reading if you're interested in the technical aspects: The Valve Wizard -Cathode Follower
