The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[Jared Houseman]

Why not just get a More, since it's the Deep Dish without the compression?

I impulsively bought the deep dish thinking if anything is going to sell me on compression, itll be this. I also wanted to see what all the sushi box hype was about.
Ill probably build myself a space heater or foxtrot or buy a more preamp focused pedal in the future and sell the deep dish.

I want to spend a little more time with it before I give up compression

 

[Jeff Kissell]

Yup, Deep Dish - compression = More

Any chance you make the deep dish again?

 

[lomo]

I impulsively bought the deep dish thinking if anything is going to sell me on compression, itll be this.
I want to spend a little more time with it before I give up compression

I wouldn't assume the Deep Dish is well-suited to selling you (or anyone else) on compression. I am a Sushi Box fanboy, but I found the deep dish sorely lacking.....too squishy too fast and not sufficiently adjustable for my taste. This may be partly the reason it was discontinued? Its' uncompressed circuit lives on in the form of More, which I love. If you want to explore compression fully, then I'd recommend a more transparent comp like the Empress. If you seek compression with a tone bonus that's simple to dial in, I'd go with a Diamond. Just my .02.

 

[Sushi Box FX]

Any chance you make the deep dish again?

I doubt it. Deep Dish is a knockoff of an Effectrode design, I want to do a compressor again but I don't want it to be based on anything that's already out there.

 

[bassbrad]

I impulsively bought the deep dish thinking if anything is going to sell me on compression, itll be this. I also wanted to see what all the sushi box hype was about.
Ill probably build myself a space heater or foxtrot or buy a more preamp focused pedal in the future and sell the deep dish.

I want to spend a little more time with it before I give up compression

+1 for the MORE IMHO it is brilliant.

Compression may not be your thing, it certainly isn't for me all that much on bass but aI find it indespensible on many other things when I am recording or mixing. I have gotten spoiled by digital compressors in the various DAWs I work in so really love the comp in the SA Ultrawave Multiband processor, if I felt the need to get a comp mit would likely be the Atlas because of the versatility.

 

[dedpool1052]

I doubt it. Deep Dish is a knockoff of an Effectrode design, I want to do a compressor again but I don't want it to be based on anything that's already out there.

I really like the optical compressors I have.

A mashup of optical/tubes would be pretty sweet, IMO.

 

[eeyorebass]

I really like the optical compressors I have.

A mashup of optical/tubes would be pretty sweet, IMO.

Most "tube" compressors are optical designs with tube gain stages. Very few are actually tube compressors. From the ovnilab FAQ on compressor types:

"Tube compressors, almost always, are really optical comps with a simple 12AX7 tube gain stage added on the end. However vari-mu (short for Variable Mu, also a Manley trademark) designs use a vacuum tube in place of a transistor, where the variable voltage input changes a tube's bias instead of a transistor's gain. It has a somewhat different action, generally claimed to be even smoother and more "creamy" or "organic". Aside from the Manley and some very old Fairchild units, the only other vari-mu-style examples I know of are the Markbass Compressore and the Lightning Boy Opti-Mu Prime."

 

[Sushi Box FX]

"Tube compressors, almost always, are really optical comps with a simple 12AX7 tube gain stage added on the end.

That's an oversimplification, based on my experience. For example the Effectrode LA-1A (and thus the Deep Dish), the compressor I have the most experience with, has a 100% tube signal path with an optical sidechain. This seems to be a far more common way of doing tube compressors, as throwing a tube on the end of an otherwise solid-state device (*cough* Lab Rat *cough*) does not give the same "tubiness" people expect from tube devices.

 

[eeyorebass]

That's an oversimplification, based on my experience. For example the Effectrode LA-1A (and thus the Deep Dish), the compressor I have the most experience with, has a 100% tube signal path with an optical sidechain. This seems to be a far more common way of doing tube compressors, as throwing a tube on the end of an otherwise solid-state device (*cough* Lab Rat *cough*) does not give the same "tubiness" people expect from tube devices.

Fair point! I was just trying to say that "A mashup of optical/tubes" is actually a pretty common approach.

When you revisit compression, are you thinking optical with tubes or a vari-mu type approach?

 

[Mojo34]

Has anyone ever run a More into a Sadowsky preamp pedal? The tone of that pedal is perfect for me, and I wonder if it would be More better with the Sushi Box tubeness in front (or in back)?

 

[bassbrad]

Has anyone ever run a More into a Sadowsky preamp pedal? The tone of that pedal is perfect for me, and I wonder if it would be More better with the Sushi Box tubeness in front (or in back)?

I have my MORE after a Southampton Ictineo that is a very clean preamp, that pairing is magnificent, I tried both ways and IMHO after is the ticket.

 

[lomo]

I am also in love with More. Right now I favour it 1st in my chain (UA is last) .......my basses are mostly passive and it injects a lively clean tube vibe and provides an always on boost. I still haven't gotten around to swapping tubes in it, but that will come. It has enough gain on tap for me now, but I want to try a 12ax7 in V1 per Dr. Sushi's post that it'd remain clean and have even more boost on tap.

 

[Mojo34]

This does sound like what I'm after. Clean tone, always on, not so much for boost. Thanks for any More information... I'm all ears.

 

[Sushi Box FX]

When you revisit compression, are you thinking optical with tubes or a vari-mu type approach?

I haven't really decided yet. Most of the tube/optical designs I've seen have the "squish" just somewhere in the path, but moving it to a tube cathode wouldn't be difficult to implement. I would be interested to hear the differences. I know it's common for tube tremolos to vary the cathode bias similarly, and it certainly produces a smooth tremolo, so I could see it working well on a compressor.

 

[JohnnyBottom]

Having trouble with One Spot power adapter. I have 2 of them. I have 2 Slampeggs and 2 UAs.
All the pedals have a whine going on with the One Spots. Using an eventide PowerMax no noise.
Noise occurs when using pedals individually or in daisy chain, and can get worse if paired. ie..If UA and Slampegg in daisy chain.. UA makes a lot of screetching noise if Slampegg is off. With slampegg on, noise is almost gone.
Anybody else experience this..?? thx

 

[54 RPM]

Have a question for you guys using a lot of pedals including the SushiBoxes. Do you manage to keep the gain staging steady all the way ?

What if you end up with a lot of gain ? Can you use the active bass switch on your amp as a way to pad down the gain ? I believe active switches are just a pad but i’m not sure about it...

 

[eeyorebass]

Having trouble with One Spot power adapter. I have 2 of them. I have 2 Slampeggs and 2 UAs.
All the pedals have a whine going on with the One Spots. Using an eventide PowerMax no noise.
Noise occurs when using pedals individually or in daisy chain, and can get worse if paired. ie..If UA and Slampegg in daisy chain.. UA makes a lot of screetching noise if Slampegg is off. With slampegg on, noise is almost gone.
Anybody else experience this..?? thx

First question: Have your Sushi Pedals had the Polarity Fix done? See post: The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

 

[Sushi Box FX]

Having trouble with One Spot power adapter. I have 2 of them. I have 2 Slampeggs and 2 UAs.
All the pedals have a whine going on with the One Spots. Using an eventide PowerMax no noise.
Noise occurs when using pedals individually or in daisy chain, and can get worse if paired. ie..If UA and Slampegg in daisy chain.. UA makes a lot of screetching noise if Slampegg is off. With slampegg on, noise is almost gone.
Anybody else experience this..?? thx

First question: Have your Sushi Pedals had the Polarity Fix done? See post: The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

That was going to be my first question as well. Based on the symptoms it sounds like maybe not.

 

[JohnnyBottom]

That was going to be my first question as well. Based on the symptoms it sounds like maybe not.

yes all fairly new. looking at pics, all done

 

[Derek Williams]

Have a question for you guys using a lot of pedals including the SushiBoxes. Do you manage to keep the gain staging steady all the way ?

What if you end up with a lot of gain ? Can you use the active bass switch on your amp as a way to pad down the gain ? I believe active switches are just a pad but i’m not sure about it...

They all have master volume controls, so they can be turned down if needed.