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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

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Hopefully a bunch of people got shipping notifications tonight, tomorrow I will be dropping off packages to Pennsylvania, New Jersey (x2), Iowa, California (x3) and Oregon. Just a couple more to finish up and November will be done. On to December...
 
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Alright, news about the Deep Dish. Not good news, not bad news, just neutral news. But maybe borderline good news? I don't know. Anyway.

So from the get-go the compression circuit has worked great. I have full confidence I traced it correctly and it sounds beautiful. The big problem I've been having is with the preamp section. I can't get the voltages to behave the way they do in the original, and I've been so focused on the voltages that I've been ignoring the fact that I know how to make a perfectly good sounding preamp already.

So Deep Dish has been delayed enough, I think I'm going to make it even less of a direct clone, keep their sidechain and general control setup, but scrap the preamp and make my own. Will it sound excellent? Of course it will. I will refuse to release it until it does. Will it sound exactly like the LA-1A? Well no, it won't. If you want something that sounds exactly like the LA-1A I'll be happy to sell you my used one when the Deep Dish is done though ;)
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
Alright, news about the Deep Dish. Not good news, not bad news, just neutral news. But maybe borderline good news? I don't know. Anyway.

So from the get-go the compression circuit has worked great. I have full confidence I traced it correctly and it sounds beautiful. The big problem I've been having is with the preamp section. I can't get the voltages to behave the way they do in the original, and I've been so focused on the voltages that I've been ignoring the fact that I know how to make a perfectly good sounding preamp already.

So Deep Dish has been delayed enough, I think I'm going to make it even less of a direct clone, keep their sidechain and general control setup, but scrap the preamp and make my own. Will it sound excellent? Of course it will. I will refuse to release it until it does. Will it sound exactly like the LA-1A? Well no, it won't. If you want something that sounds exactly like the LA-1A I'll be happy to sell you my used one when the Deep Dish is done though ;)
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There ya go - its needs to have sushi box sound, ideas are good, but if its got your name it needs to sound like a sushi box. This leads me to my question, do most (or all) of the current pedals have the same preamp, just different EQ at different areas of the circuit depending on the model or "theme" being covered? I know some perfect their gain stage and work around that depending on the EQ structure they're looking for
 
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labeledbass said:
There ya go - its needs to have sushi box sound, ideas are good, but if its got your name it needs to sound like a sushi box. This leads me to my question, do most (or all) of the current pedals have the same preamp, just different EQ at different areas of the circuit depending on the model or "theme" being covered? I know some perfect their gain stage and work around that depending on the EQ structure they're looking for
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So that's a really good question. They all share the 6N21B tube, but they still have the same gain structure as the preamp they came from, i.e. PA is voiced like a Fender, Slampegg like an Ampeg, LU like an Orange, etc. I think I've only ever made one 100% original preamp (like 3 years ago) but my experience was limited back then and it still had a very Fender-ish structure, but then again what doesn't to some degree? With the Deep Dish I will probably lean on the PA (Alembic) design a bit as it's not overly aggressive, it's incredibly warm and flexible and should scale well to more stages.

But thinking about the Deep Dish as more "inspired by" and less "based pretty closely on" it frees me up quite a bit, and I'm thinking about dropping it down to two tubes. That allows me to use a smaller enclosure, and it would make the conversion to a mini-tube version a lot easier.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
So that's a really good question. They all share the 6N21B tube, but they still have the same gain structure as the preamp they came from, i.e. PA is voiced like a Fender, Slampegg like an Ampeg, LU like an Orange, etc. I think I've only ever made one 100% original preamp (like 3 years ago) but my experience was limited back then and it still had a very Fender-ish structure, but then again what doesn't to some degree? With the Deep Dish I will probably lean on the PA (Alembic) design a bit as it's not overly aggressive, it's incredibly warm and flexible and should scale well to more stages.

But thinking about the Deep Dish as more "inspired by" and less "based pretty closely on" it frees me up quite a bit, and I'm thinking about dropping it down to two tubes. That allows me to use a smaller enclosure, and it would make the conversion to a mini-tube version a lot easier.
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I think the goal should be nominally clean, but still tubey-coloured.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
So that's a really good question. They all share the 6N21B tube, but they still have the same gain structure as the preamp they came from, i.e. PA is voiced like a Fender, Slampegg like an Ampeg, LU like an Orange, etc. I think I've only ever made one 100% original preamp (like 3 years ago) but my experience was limited back then and it still had a very Fender-ish structure, but then again what doesn't to some degree? With the Deep Dish I will probably lean on the PA (Alembic) design a bit as it's not overly aggressive, it's incredibly warm and flexible and should scale well to more stages.

But thinking about the Deep Dish as more "inspired by" and less "based pretty closely on" it frees me up quite a bit, and I'm thinking about dropping it down to two tubes. That allows me to use a smaller enclosure, and it would make the conversion to a mini-tube version a lot easier.
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Ok, yeah I guess the "preamp design" is defined by where the gain is, how the EQ behaves and where it is ect, which is defined by the proceeding design. Did you get that edison? I would still love something along those lines
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
Nope, somebody beat me to it :( But if anyone out there has one I'd still love to get one, I've got a couple things I'd be willing to trade ;)
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Haha I bet (I was wondering that when you mentioned wanting it) So when you state you have a perfectly good preamp for the new comp, will it be of your own design, or closer to the PA like mentioned above? I love checking out new preamp designs, its really hard to veer away from the typical tone stacks out there
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
Nope, somebody beat me to it :( But if anyone out there has one I'd still love to get one, I've got a couple things I'd be willing to trade ;)
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So nevermind on that.

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They did drop the new edition on Reverb, there's 3 2 available for purchase right now. Brand-new with shipping is only $210... :whistle:
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Fixed that for you.
 
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labeledbass said:
Haha I bet (I was wondering that when you mentioned wanting it) So when you state you have a perfectly good preamp for the new comp, will it be of your own design, or closer to the PA like mentioned above? I love checking out new preamp designs, its really hard to veer away from the typical tone stacks out there
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I'll probably start with the PA and add a couple stages. I like the parallel stage idea like they were doing, but I want a little different flavor. I don't have anything particular drawn up, but I have a couple ideas floating around. It will probably end up looking like a dual-tube PA with no tone stack.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
So that's a really good question. They all share the 6N21B tube, but they still have the same gain structure as the preamp they came from, i.e. PA is voiced like a Fender, Slampegg like an Ampeg, LU like an Orange, etc. I think I've only ever made one 100% original preamp (like 3 years ago) but my experience was limited back then and it still had a very Fender-ish structure, but then again what doesn't to some degree? With the Deep Dish I will probably lean on the PA (Alembic) design a bit as it's not overly aggressive, it's incredibly warm and flexible and should scale well to more stages.

But thinking about the Deep Dish as more "inspired by" and less "based pretty closely on" it frees me up quite a bit, and I'm thinking about dropping it down to two tubes. That allows me to use a smaller enclosure, and it would make the conversion to a mini-tube version a lot easier.
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I like where this is going... :)
 
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psychovox said:
All we're asking is for you to take an incredibly expensive (rightly so) pedal and somehow magically turn it into something affordable and slightly gooder. IS that so much?.
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Don't forget smaller, everyone wants it smaller too :P
 
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psychovox said:
All we're asking is for you to take an incredibly expensive (rightly so) pedal and somehow magically turn it into something affordable and slightly gooder. IS that so much?
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Hey, I've never quoted myself before. The goal is simple. I am still in the middle of a shoot out between my Cali 76B and my PDR. Everyone's needs are different, and I've tried most of the theoretical "best" compressors. The Effectrode is the only pedal that might have a shot at eliminating the winner of the previously mentioned battle. So that shouldn't betoo much pressure right? I have a slot reserved in March. Hoping hopeful hopefulness.
 

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