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There is ALWAYS someone better than you

I've been blessed to be called pretty often for a specific gig with musicians wayyy above my level. Bass player on the latest record was Lee Sklar. One dude in the band plays for cirque du soleil and is a bonafide bad ass. Others are just top notch players. We go to gigs and they call me for solos! I'm like "WTH dude, don't waste your solos on me! Just let me survive back here!" I guess there's something I got that I'm not giving myself credit for that makes the difference between me and way better players. Whether it's enthusiasm, or work ethic, or just the ability to "fake it till I make it" I don't know, cause I'm too terrified to ask! Either way, I keep getting the call and I know there's dudes who'd want the job. I guess it really is just about believing in yourself, doing your best, and being somewhat pleasant to be around, all things that are in your control regardless of your skill level.

Side note: A little "right place right time" never hurt no one neither. When I first got called for the gig, I didn't have much time to learn the songs and there was going to be no opportunity to rehearse before the show. Even though I was terrified, I made myself go in knowing that I could crash and burn. In the end, they loved my playing and were super complementary. Crazy world. Carpe diem, when opportunity knocks, etc.
 
At almost 60 years old, I realized decades ago that as a weekend musical warrior I will never have the time to devote to being as good as many other bassists. It is hard enough when you are doing cover songs and trying to emulate hundreds of bassists on the recordings you cover. I decided to try and be the best at what I can do and not worry about all the players who are better than me or more theory oriented. I will never be proficient at super fast metal licks or snapping and popping. Whatever I have done has worked well for me since I have never been out of work in 46 years and I greatly appreciate that I have been able to play with many good musicians along the way in successful bands.
WHAT HE SAID!
At 64 I agree. I'm not the best, but I'm darn good at what I do. I've been able to play as much or as littleas I choose.
IMVHO people who compare anything to anyone are not comfortable in their own skin.
And that my friends is where contentment comes.
The last thinge I'll say in any type of band can you play well with others?
It means everything
Duke
 
WHAT HE SAID!
At 64 I agree. I'm not the best, but I'm darn good at what I do. I've been able to play as much or as littleas I choose.
IMVHO people who compare anything to anyone are not comfortable in their own skin.
And that my friends is where contentment comes.
The last thinge I'll say in any type of band can you play well with others?
It means everything
Duke

Don't they still teach this in kindergarten? :)
 
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Great player can also mean lousy bandmate. The most talented guitarist I know is also the one I would most like to bash with a baseball bat. If I still lived in the old 'hood I'd be checking the obituaries every single day looking for his name and an excuse to party.


Love your avatar............leaving to change underwear now..
 
Great player can also mean lousy bandmate....
it's who gets the gigs --- the player who can play well with others!

At 64 I agree. I'm not the best, but I'm darn good at what I do....
my drummer friend, now deceased, once told me "i may not be as fast as i used to be, but i'm not as slow as i once was!"

Crazy world. Carpe diem, when opportunity knocks, etc.
carpe diem!
 
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I have a son who has a master's in Jazz Perfomance and has supassed his dad musically in just about every respect. I am so proud of him.

We were fortunate to meet Ray Brown once when he was an undergrad. I asked Ray what advice he would give to a young aspiring bass player. He looked my son right in the eye and said "Just play the bass, Max."

And just a few months ago I met and talked to Steve Swallow, who graciously agreed to sign my '62 Jazz I had brought with me and which Max will eventually inherit. I said, write whatever you want. The attached photo shows what he wrote.

My point is that these giants of bass knew the simple truth that what's important is what YOU can learn and what YOU want to play. And that it applies all your life.
 
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As B.B. King put it "there's thousands of better players out there....but they weren't me".

Exactly. Arts are not sports. In sports you measure performance, and the most performant wins. But who's the world best painter? Or bassist? Would you rather go hear Satriani or Clapton?

Miles Davis launched a whole new style playing few notes and even fewer chord changes with his hit called... "So What".

But drummers saying stupid stuff? Yeah that sounds a little familiar.... ah gotta love our rhythm section buddies. Backline unite!
 
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In high school, someone told me that this girl who had just started playing electric bass was better than me because she would (attempt to) play faster. All I could respond with was this: "speed isn't everything". Some people just use completely irrelevant and arbitrary criteria because they are either wanna-be critics, lacking in understanding of the role of a bass player or just aren't learned musicians in their own right.

I usually shrug it off these days and just agree.
 
There are always better players, but no one can play more than one gig at a time. Each gig needs someone to play it!

Nothing is better than steak, or whatever your favorite is, but do you really want to eat steak for dinner every night?

Lots of gigs out there, and people in general love variety. I keep working on my skills, and strive to play authentic, heart-felt music. I keep making a better me, that's all I can really do.
 
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I'm in the same boat - I do some things really well, other things not so much. Yes, I *have* worked with guys who say "why don't you tap more?" or "why don't you do really cool high-up solos like Jaco more?" - those things? They are not my thing. I'm proud my meter and my sense of groove - both of which have always seemed to me to be key to being a good bassist. So I'm good with me, at least on bass!
 
Can you imagine if there was a rating system?
For example, I play tennis, non-competitively, but have several friends who do compete regularly.
They are required to be rated (by exactly whom, I do not know) into tiers, like 3.0 3.5 4.0, I think 5.0 are professionals.
I suppose you "move up" as you beat people rated higher than you.
Now, i'm not saying its the same, but can you imagine having a rating system like that?
We'd only be able to move up in rating by replacing someone in a better band than the one we're in?
That would suck much more, so be glad you don't have to be ranked and beat out other people to get where you want to go.
 
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Let me preface this by saying that I don't suck.

I was listening to Jack Cassidy's interview on No Treble today and he made the comment that there is always someone who has more technical skills and musical knowledge than you do and that the important thing was to find your own tone and voice and not worry about what others are playing. I totally agree with this. As a 50-year-old influenced by Lee and Entwistle I don't think I need to spend all day on YouTube trying to master every riff and skill available. I do just fine and play enough notes and fills as it is and people like it. I have no need to slap as much as Mark King or do any two-hand tapping or any of that; I am a bass player and not an acrobat.

This does not stop drummers from constantly having to remark about other bass players in the area in a way that says "they're really skilled and schooled in a way that you are not." Even if this were true and somehow relevant (because I am schooled and experienced in a way that THEY are not), I think this is just plain rude. I have a favorite drummer to play with who has his own voice and is not as technically prowessed and schooled as others but I do not say this to him; instead I say he's my favorite drummer to jam with here. I got him into the scene and gigging regularly...I'm not sure sometimes if this is appreciated.

Another is very skilled...he woodsheds and practices all the time. Big into jazz fusion. Always talks about professional musicianship...and he is the least professional of anyone I've worked with. I've had to fire him twice from two different bands for this. This is another who spends time comparing other players in a negative way but is perpetually a sub and never a member and can't understand why.

Yet another is pretty good and very experienced but is very arrogant and is an addict who feels he is above being questioned when he shows up stoned and plays everything too slow to dance to. He definitely makes it a point to mention other "better" players...yet- again- I am the one with the steady gig.

There is ALWAYS someone better than you. There is no need to make any comparisons because it's just plain rude. I know of several players who are better than me in one way or another but it is entirely irrelevant because I'm not walking in their shoes and they're not walking in mine. I have played big arenas and small clubs and recorded and been broadcast locally and nationally in one way or another and somehow trying to tell me that I am somehow lesser than another (based on arbitrary criteria) says more about them than me. Every player brings different things, and the amount of formal training is not the only standard to measure by. If that were the case, most of your favorite players would never even have been heard of. I know someone who is "better" than every single person I've ever met in this business, both pro and amateur...I just don't SAY it.[/QUOTE

I totally relate to your situation. I once auditioned for a classic rock band and the band leader couldn't decide whether to go with me or another bass player. It was totally up to him...I had previously worked with the drummer who wanted me, the other guy was friends with the lead guitar player who obviously wanted him.

The other guy was a very good slap bass player and was extremely technically proficient. He didn't have a lot of gigging experience though. I'm no slouch technically, but I am not the best slap player. But I am a solid, in the pocket player.

At a second audition the other guy was there too (with a third friend that came along). I went first, and the other guy made comments the entire time to his friend about my "lack of technique and terrible tone." Just a total arrogant jerk. When it was his turn, he threw in way to many fills...the dreaded lead bassist. I didn't say a word.

The band leader decided to let us each try a gig (on short notice). I think that he just wanted to believe his guitar player who insisted that the other bass player was just showing off to me. The other guy's gig was first and I wasn't there, but the drummer told me later that it was a complete train wreck. Apparently the other bass player continued to throw in inappropriate fills at every opportunity, to the point of messing up a lot, and losing his place. He even tried throwing some slap lines into songs.

On my gig, I played mostly root notes on the songs that I was least comfortable on. Just boring, solid rhythm. The songs that I knew well, I just played the original line. The only fills were ones that were in the original songs. Guess who got the permanent gig.