Thunderbird Club

[GonePlaid]

Thanks I looked up his page and found it. Two different performances of Desperado 6 months apart have the same vocal audio.
The software he's using shows the pitch on a graph. Having used a version of that, I agree there's no other explanation.
I'd be upset if I spent big $ to see a band like the Eagles and found out they were lip synching.

And they ain't the onliest ones.

 

[GonePlaid]

A quick trip to Costco and you’ll have everything you need in the way of bear proof food supplies.

One of these…

https://www.costco.com/p/-/readywise-150-serving-emergency-food-bucket-150-total-servings/100837131?sp=grs&langId=-1

And a dozen jugs of water, a dozen cans of spam, a dozen tins of sardines, a dozen packs of Idahoan instant mashed potatoes and a boatload of canned soup and stew and fruit cocktail.

Do all your food prep, cooking and eating outside your home, don’t bring any leftovers into the house and keep the trash as far from the home as you can get it.

Who you callin' trash?

 

[GonePlaid]

Johnny Van Zant has mentioned a number of times they refuse to use tracks and clicks, and seems to have said such things to audiences before. He laughed about bands using them once and said something to the effect that when people come to see us, they see us.

We don’t use [backing tracks]. To me, if you’re a musical act, go out there and play.... If you make a mistake, hey, it’s live music. People appreciate that. They know you’re human. We’ve always been a plug-in-and-play band, and we always will be.

What you see is what you get with Skynyrd. There are no tapes running, no hidden keyboard players under the stage, no lip-syncing. If we screw up a part, you're going to hear it. That's a live mistake, and that's the beauty of a real rock show.

A friend said Gene Simmons said something like if you use them, be honest since people are paying $100 or more to see you and 30% of it is a recording. Kind of how food has to be upfront about it's ingredients.

I've never played with a click track or any other kind of track. IDK if I could at this stage of life (something about old dog/new tricks).

 

[Miles_ONeal]

I've never played with a click track or any other kind of track. IDK if I could at this stage of life (something about old dog/new tricks).

Glorified metronome. They drive me nuts. I don’t miss them.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

loving my '79..... coming out this weekend....

 

[MCF]

I know you’re jealous of mine. Jealousy is never a good look. Grab it while it’s cheap!

 

[Iristone]

I wonder if anyone had tried a series/parallel wiring with a 70's Bird? I'm thinking of replacing my Epi VP pickups to a pair of 916 Bicentennials (in hope it could get slightly brighter with even more growl) and I wonder if I could get a traditional both-pickups-in-parallel Jazz tone with the switch.

 

[Haji]

Glorified metronome. They drive me nuts. I don’t miss them.

It's not even glorified. It really is just a metronome.

 

[dagrev]

I know you’re jealous of mine. Jealousy is never a good look. Grab it while it’s cheap!

I am.
For the record, I look pretty good in a nice shade of jealousy.

 

[dagrev]

Bond Girl almost a year ago now held auditions for a new drummer. It came down to two and the second-up one brought up wanting to use a click-track - live. I already liked the other drummer better (who is our drummer presently) but that cinched it for me. I only used a click-track in the recording studio once on a song I composed. I wanted it to be machine-like and the drummer and I locked on it. *

If a band is auditioning drummers - the bass player needs to be listened to - it's a no brainer... can you say rhythm section?

*

I hear you. I know some use clicks and it's big debate. For me in some settings it would be fine, as in recording at times--not live. (For me. My opinion only.) In my mind the drummer is the click. If the drummer is that bad--time for another drummer. Live music ebbs, flows and breaths. That's normal. That's what makes it a-live. Honestly, how many in an audience are even aware there are slight/normal timing variations anyway? If a seasoned musician is listening, they would get it because they are used to it. I'm not for slop by any means. I'm not a good musician, but my timing is really good. If I can do it.....

A lot of larger churches use them (often drummer only), and even ques such as, a voice saying, "chorus 1," "bridge," etc. Some times it's because of lack of practice and rotating musicians. rotating songs each week so I get that--but still don't like, personally. It can be done without all that and there are other ways to address those problems seeking to be solved. We do it every week. From some conversations it's also a fad thing. "Oh, my friend at big church X does this. We need to do this as well." That one has no redeeming quality in my book.

 

[Thumper]

I had an excellent drummer a few bands ago who started using a clicker because one of the guitarists (also a great player) would complain she was speeding up or slowing down. It turned out she wasn't but he kept saying she was. And he really was very good, a Texas transplant who always said the local bands in Utah weren't as good as Texas musicians. He was so good, we just dealt with his "idiosyncrasies." And overall he was a nice enough guy....

 

[Miles_ONeal]

It's not even glorified. It really is just a metronome.

I never heard a metronome do syncopated rhythms.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

I hear you. I know some use clicks and it's big debate. For me in some settings it would be fine, as in recording at times--not live. (For me. My opinion only.) In my mind the drummer is the click. If the drummer is that bad--time for another drummer. Live music ebbs, flows and breaths. That's normal. That's what makes it a-live. Honestly, how many in an audience are even aware there are slight/normal timing variations anyway? If a seasoned musician is listening, they would get it because they are used to it. I'm not for slop by any means. I'm not a good musician, but my timing is really good. If I can do it.....

A lot of larger churches use them (often drummer only), and even ques such as, a voice saying, "chorus 1," "bridge," etc. Some times it's because of lack of practice and rotating musicians. rotating songs each week so I get that--but still don't like, personally. It can be done without all that and there are other ways to address those problems seeking to be solved. We do it every week. From some conversations it's also a fad thing. "Oh, my friend at big church X does this. We need to do this as well." That one has no redeeming quality in my book.

All of this.

 

[Stealth57]

I never heard a metronome do syncopated rhythms.

You can by using a hammer. But it only works that once.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

I hear you. I know some use clicks and it's big debate. For me in some settings it would be fine, as in recording at times--not live. (For me. My opinion only.) In my mind the drummer is the click. If the drummer is that bad--time for another drummer. Live music ebbs, flows and breaths. That's normal. That's what makes it a-live. Honestly, how many in an audience are even aware there are slight/normal timing variations anyway? If a seasoned musician is listening, they would get it because they are used to it. I'm not for slop by any means. I'm not a good musician, but my timing is really good. If I can do it.....

A lot of larger churches use them (often drummer only), and even ques such as, a voice saying, "chorus 1," "bridge," etc. Some times it's because of lack of practice and rotating musicians. rotating songs each week so I get that--but still don't like, personally. It can be done without all that and there are other ways to address those problems seeking to be solved. We do it every week. From some conversations it's also a fad thing. "Oh, my friend at big church X does this. We need to do this as well." That one has no redeeming quality in my book.

yep, like you say, get a different drummer because chances are the incompetent one would sound much worse with a click track....

 

[GBassNorth]

I wonder if anyone had tried a series/parallel wiring with a 70's Bird? I'm thinking of replacing my Epi VP pickups to a pair of 916 Bicentennials (in hope it could get slightly brighter with even more growl) and I wonder if I could get a traditional both-pickups-in-parallel Jazz tone with the switch.

The Eppi VP 760 ProBucker pickups are capable of being pretty bright in stock form. Before flipping out pickups I’d consider confirming you have a 500k ohm tone pot and then change out the tone cap to an orange drop .022uf cap.
Then if you still want to add a series parallel switch go for it.
I find the VP to be very string sensitive, so you might also consider some nice bright gritty grindy growling stainless strings to bring out the top end.

 

[GBassNorth]

I never heard a metronome do syncopated rhythms.

Speaking of metronomes - I always found this short video of multiple metronomes automatically adjusting their timing to sync up with each other, interesting…

I think we need to try that exact same experiment with 5 blindfolded drummers wearing earplugs

 

[Thumper]

The Eppi VP 760 ProBucker pickups are capable of being pretty bright in stock form. Before flipping out pickups I’d consider confirming you have a 500k ohm tone pot and then change out the tone cap to an orange drop .022uf cap.
Then if you still want to add a series parallel switch go for it.
I find the VP to be very string sensitive, so you might also consider some nice bright gritty grindy growling stainless strings to bring out the top end.

FWIW, my take is that my Eppi VP snarled, my '97 with the reissues growls. Otherwise, George knows whereof he speaks.

 

[Iristone]

Interestingly, I've heard the Sidewinders being described as "bright" and even "thin", whereas the videos I've seen all sound round, muffled, and slightly honky. I wonder if the stock 100K pots are limiting their brightness, and the "bright" and "thin" only come with higher-valued pots?

 

[Engle]

I have been recording with two different groups. One does not use a click, the other does.

Composing/producing/editing is sure easier with a click!

As a musician, you should be able to keep a steady meter without depending on others. But you should also be able to make music groove while playing with a click.