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Thunderbird Club

This could be a general 'shoot-out' thread but I feel (and will most likely be joined in my opinion) that the T-bird included if not hands-down the best sounding bass in this well-done comparison of the most played basses out there, it for sure sounds pretty righteous. You be the judge! ;)


I like the Tbird slapped, picked worked well too. Also when played aggressively it stood right up.
The Pbass was full when strummed, punchy when slapped. All around was the best of the bunch, if you keep score that way.
The Jazz, here, did little for me- though in the right hands it does...
Stingray. A little lackluster all around.
Rickie, low output made for a weak sounding trial, but some of us know better than that.

All in all, context is everything, and will change some opinions, I'm pretty sure. These are only ever "so meaningful".
 
This could be a general 'shoot-out' thread but I feel (and will most likely be joined in my opinion) that the T-bird included if not hands-down the best sounding bass in this well-done comparison of the most played basses out there, it for sure sounds pretty righteous. You be the judge! ;)



Thanks for posting. Even without all the possible variables nailed down, that clip is in line with all my preconceptions about the tone you are likely to get out of those various types of basses.
It certainly showcases why I like the tone of particular basses and why I don't like others.
Would have been good to add in a single coil P Bass. They often tonally surprise people who haven't played them before.
 
Haven't we been through this already (recently, like within the last 500 pages)?

I was amazed at just how thin the jazz sounded. It was just terrible.

Overall, I like the way humbuckers sound .

But my criticisms of the methodology are:
This is not double blinded - so both the player and the judges (us) know what is being played.
We do not know that the strings are all the same and the same age (fresh obviously being the preference).
We do not know that the EQ was set the same/optimised for each instrument.

Off the top of my head, any/all of these are sources of bias that cam meaningfully change the results.

Not sure same strings on everything helps. They each need their particular optimum strings, don't they?

Also, I'd like to hear some of these comparisons with the presenter giving a result at the end. They need to come to a conclusion.
 
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Not sure same strings on everything helps. They each need their particular optimum strings, don't they?

Also, I'd like to hear some of these comparisons with the presenter giving a result at the end. They need to come to a conclusion.

The difficulty in this or any comparison is controlling the variables. In this case, there are a large number of uncontrolled variables as well as biases. So, the net (for me) is this type of comparison tells us nothing.
 
The difficulty in this or any comparison is controlling the variables. In this case, there are a large number of uncontrolled variables as well as biases. So, the net (for me) is this type of comparison tells us nothing.
But it's an enjoyable nothing. Except that the Jazz sounds nasal and whiny. And awful. But we already knew that, so I guess it told us nothing new.
 
Anyone here used Dean Markley Blue Steel strings on their Thunderbird? I was liking the Rotosound RS66, but was curious what else I might like better. I like the sound, but something smoother on my fingers would be nice. At my bass teacher's suggestion, I tried the Fodera SS but really dislike them. All the fun out of my Thunderbird is gone. They're dark and warm, which I don't find compliments the Thunderbird at all. I ordered a set of the Blue Steels out of curiosity since they're currently about $14 on MF. Also curious about the La Bella SS and DR Hi-Beams.

If anyone wants the Foderas to try out, please take them. If you're not local to NYC, just pay for shipping. Only thing it that they're wound for left-handed, so the coils for the tuners may be backwards. Not sure if Gibson used the same tuners or they wind the opposite way. I never much paid attention to that. I just get used to which way tightens and which way loosens. No big deal to me.
I used to work at Dean Markley. In fact... I wound some of the first Blue Steels that were ever manufactured. I wound the guitar strings, and my bass player at the time (who would eventually become my ex-brother-in-law) wound the first bass strings. He was actually involved in the R&D of the Blue Steels. He loved them and used them exclusively. His main bass was an Ibanez Soundgear 6 string (don't ask me which specific model), and he played through 2 full Hartke stacks... each one consisting of a 2x15, a 4x10, & a 4x5 cab, set up in stereo. He was really into a bright, modern sound, and that whole "ethereal textures" thang, mixed with a fair amount of slapping. The Blue Steels were perfect for him, because they stayed bright and "new" longer than any other string we'd found at the time. They brought great shimmer definition that cut through the layers upon layers of effects he always used. The only downside, was that they sawed through frets faster than anything else we'd seen.
When I got that Goth... I wanted a nice bright string to help counter the dark sound inherent to that model. I'd been curious about the DRs for years. After they were suggested a few times here in this forum, I finally tried them out. If you want a nice bright string that's easy on the fingers... the DR Hi Beams are the strings for you. I don't know what their "secret recipe" is, but my educated guess is that they use a larger core wire and smaller cover wires. The result is a less abrasive string (which is better for your bass and your fingers) and less finger noise. I almost regret trying them so early in my bass journey, because I loved 'em and will probly go back to them. I was actually kinda looking forward to "playing the field" a bit & seein' what all was out there before settling in on a favorite. Unless the set of EB Cobalts I just got, really have some kinda magic in 'em... I'll go right back to the DR Hi Beams ASAP. To my hands... they felt "broken in" right out of the package, but sounded bright and new.
Hope this helps out!:thumbsup:
 
I used to work at Dean Markley. In fact... I wound some of the first Blue Steels that were ever manufactured. I wound the guitar strings, and my bass player at the time (who would eventually become my ex-brother-in-law) wound the first bass strings. He was actually involved in the R&D of the Blue Steels. He loved them and used them exclusively. His main bass was an Ibanez Soundgear 6 string (don't ask me which specific model), and he played through 2 full Hartke stacks... each one consisting of a 2x15, a 4x10, & a 4x5 cab, set up in stereo. He was really into a bright, modern sound, and that whole "ethereal textures" thang, mixed with a fair amount of slapping. The Blue Steels were perfect for him, because they stayed bright and "new" longer than any other string we'd found at the time. They brought great shimmer definition that cut through the layers upon layers of effects he always used. The only downside, was that they sawed through frets faster than anything else we'd seen.
When I got that Goth... I wanted a nice bright string to help counter the dark sound inherent to that model. I'd been curious about the DRs for years. After they were suggested a few times here in this forum, I finally tried them out. If you want a nice bright string that's easy on the fingers... the DR Hi Beams are the strings for you. I don't know what their "secret recipe" is, but my educated guess is that they use a larger core wire and smaller cover wires. The result is a less abrasive string (which is better for your bass and your fingers) and less finger noise. I almost regret trying them so early in my bass journey, because I loved 'em and will probly go back to them. I was actually kinda looking forward to "playing the field" a bit & seein' what all was out there before settling in on a favorite. Unless the set of EB Cobalts I just got, really have some kinda magic in 'em... I'll go right back to the DR Hi Beams ASAP. To my hands... they felt "broken in" right out of the package, but sounded bright and new.
Hope this helps out!:thumbsup:

...and as we all know - string choice is even more subjective than types of basses! ;) I've been playing D'Addario's of late and really like them all the way around. :bassist:
 
Not sure same strings on everything helps. They each need their particular optimum strings, don't they?

Also, I'd like to hear some of these comparisons with the presenter giving a result at the end. They need to come to a conclusion.
The strings you should put on your bass, are the ones that make you smile the most. To my knowledge... there isn't a "right" or "wrong". It's a matter of preference.
 
Not sure same strings on everything helps. They each need their particular optimum strings, don't they?

Also, I'd like to hear some of these comparisons with the presenter giving a result at the end. They need to come to a conclusion.
Different comparison protocols can be very interesting and insightful.

For instance, a few years back a TB member asked if a Spector could come close to the sound of a Warwick Thumb bass. Having both I did a quick test. Since the Thumb bass was his reference bass I decided to set it with all controls centered (vol, tone, pan, everything). Then I set about tweaking the crud out of the Spector Rex5 pro to get as close as possible in sound. What I found was I could get reasonably close (to the point that I don't think a blind test could have positively identified they were different basses. But to get there I had to completely max some of the Spector settings, which in practical terms meant that you could get close but you're running on the ragged edge. If that comparison had been done like any other YouTube clip you'd have walked away with the impression that the two basses were nearly identical in sound and that you still had the full EQ range to work with on each bass, which isn't true.

What I'd love to see is a "standard" for bass comparisons. The 4 string Fender MIA P Bass (non active) is a pretty common denominator and the volume and tone cranked full open is an easy test to replicate.

Wouldn't it be great if every comparison test played this as a quick sound sample for reference at the beginning of each YouTube clip (using whatever recording device and signal chain they are using for the other basses). Then when you see a YouTube clip comparing a Rick and a TBird you know where each of them stands vs the reference bass using the recording and playback equipment that the originator and viewer use.

I hate when goofballs use their iPhone to record a bass for YouTube and its either completely over saturated or worse yet sounds like strings hitting frets on an unplugged instrument. Useless, teats on a tomcat video!

PS - and for heavens sake - enough with the slapping already! Just give me fingers and a pick and maybe rounds and flats but that's it!
 
XL Balanced Tension Nickel Wound's [50/67/90/120] , and NYXL's [50/70/85/105] For flats I like the LaBella Deep Talkin' flats.
"Balanced Tension"... I wonder what that means exactly

50/67/90/120??? That's a helluva jump! Please keep in mind that I'm a relative noob to this whole "bass" thang as I ask this... Why would a person choose a .120 as opposed to the usual .100 - .110 range. Is it a tone thing?
 
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Different comparison protocols can be very interesting and insightful.

For instance, a few years back a TB member asked if a Spector could come close to the sound of a Warwick Thumb bass. Having both I did a quick test. Since the Thumb bass was his reference bass I decided to set it with all controls centered (vol, tone, pan, everything). Then I set about tweaking the crud out of the Spector Rex5 pro to get as close as possible in sound. What I found was I could get reasonably close (to the point that I don't think a blind test could have positively identified they were different basses. But to get there I had to completely max some of the Spector settings, which in practical terms meant that you could get close but you're running on the ragged edge. If that comparison had been done like any other YouTube clip you'd have walked away with the impression that the two basses were nearly identical in sound and that you still had the full EQ range to work with on each bass, which isn't true.

What I'd love to see is a "standard" for bass comparisons. The 4 string Fender MIA P Bass (non active) is a pretty common denominator and the volume and tone cranked full open is an easy test to replicate.

Wouldn't it be great if every comparison test played this as a quick sound sample for reference at the beginning of each YouTube clip (using whatever recording device and signal chain they are using for the other basses). Then when you see a YouTube clip comparing a Rick and a TBird you know where each of them stands vs the reference bass using the recording and playback equipment that the originator and viewer use.

I hate when goofballs use their iPhone to record a bass for YouTube and its either completely over saturated or worse yet sounds like strings hitting frets on an unplugged instrument. Useless, teats on a tomcat video!

PS - and for heavens sake - enough with the slapping already! Just give me fingers and a pick and maybe rounds and flats but that's it!
Dude... that is brilliant!!! So when do we see yer first video?;):thumbsup:
 
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"Balanced Tension"... I wonder what that means exactly

50/67/90/120??? That's a helluva jump! Please keep in mind that I'm a relative noob to this whole "bass" thang as I ask this... Why would a person choose a .120 as opposed to the usual .100 - .110 range. Is it a tone thing?


Below is copy for their BT guitar strings but I assume it would be the same for bass. Regardless of the marketing propaganda, I just like the way they feel and sound. I've used different gauges but have the 50-120 on a couple of basses (my '66 P and a current dual T-40 build of mine) and like them and frankly do not notice any radical difference due to the jump. I mean, it's only a .010 difference. It's a tone thing and a feel thing - when they work together it's a makes-you-smile-the-most thing. ;)

D'Addario Nickel Round Wound Balanced Tension electric guitar sets are formulated to create an equal feel between all strings. This allows for each string to be played equally with the same downward force and flexibility across the set.
 
Could be quite some time, right now I can't even post a stupid picture thanks to Photobucket. :bored:

I haven't tried to move anything out of PB yet, just have been adding stuff on my phone to Imgur, seems ok.


Note to self: Don't slap new Epi 'Bird in video review :roflmao: