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Thunderbird Club

Rose Tattoo, Cold Chisel and even Midnight Oil are in a completely different musical universe.


Yes I agree and the Radio Birdman doco makes it really plain that is how they (RB) perceived it.
I was simply saying the reaction I had when seeing them was similar- ie I am in the presence of a really special band. I forgot to mention I had that same feeling when I first saw the Fariss Brothers (pre INXS), not about the band but Michael, playing unheard of at the local in Chatswood many years ago. International acts I felt that with would include Jethro Tull, Queen, Santana, Bad Company, Deep Purple and Sabbath sometimes. Never saw Led Zeppelin when they visited Oz, but did see Robert Plant on the Principle Of Moments Tour. He still had the voice. Very special.
 
That's a handy list! Thanks for linking me up!

The Rodger Waters sig. P-bass is also 1.75" at the nut. That's the widest 4 string bass nut width I've heard of.

@JJR58 mentioned that he used to have one of those AVRIs. He said the neck was so big that he sold it cuz he couldn't get used to it. I love the sound of that... but I would most likely land on a Ric before I would go for an FSO.

A "old style" Fender C width neck is 44 mm or 1.73 inches at the nut. I understand a "modern" C width is less, but have no interest in "modern" P basses.
It is the original width P Bass neck. I have a few of them- an original '56 P Bass, a 69 Telecaster Bass and an 82 Fullerton 57 RI P Bass. Neck profile and fretboard radius also affect how a neck feels in the hand.
My C width necks all feel sizeable in the hand, but all feel different. The 69 Tele feels the biggest in your hand with a deep C profile with a fairly tight (vintage) fretboard radius (the classic Fender baseball bat), The Fullerton 57 RI has a flatter radius with a very soft V profile and so feels wide but shallower. The 56 has a tight vintage radius fretboard and a more pronounced V profile and actually feels the smallest of my 44 mm necks. It actually feels like a 70s Fender B width neck- 41 mm- to play, like I have on my 73 P Bass and &3 Telecaster Bass.
 
I heard from the Sweetwater folks, regarding release date for the Vintage Pro...

He said, "current ETA's show early September"

That is all

Yup, pretty much what my Rep told me a couple weeks back, I'm not surprised at all, the exact same thing happened when they announced and brought out the "Classic".
 
If ya go back a few pages, you'll find similar advice from hillerup, which was discussed at length.
Personally, if I were replacing a flame top les Paul that someone gave me, I'd replace it with another Gibson or something equivalent. I'm not saying don't do the 5-4 conversion on an epiphone but use the money from the les Paul on something that has close to the same value. But that's me and I count my nickels and dimes.
 
I was gonna ask if Epiphone had been bought by Microsoft, but I guess it's a trend with them.

It's new, I'm not at all surprised - It's very, very common with better quality model trains, not unusual to run 6-12 months and anticipated release date and if you don't have one reserved with a supplier you can easily miss out.
 
Partly why I'm already scheming for getting a possible left-handed 2018. :)

That's all Gibson and if I recall the basses were very limited run (100 pcs) so a bit of planning and discussion with a reliable dealer (i.e. Wildwood Guitars) isn't a bad idea. They'll likely show up with very little notice.
 
First, let me say how much I appreciate the time and thought that you've all put into the various ideas and suggestions you've generously shared with me. It's amazing to have the support of so many experienced, knowledgable people... but I think we've reached the point at which this is becoming less of a "Thunderbird Club", and more of a "Help the Bald Sasquatch Find a Bass" club. I'm looking forward to seeing a couple measurements from the Pro-V neck, but after that, I'll take the cornucopia of information I've acquired, and see what I can do with it. Again... thank you all SO much!

Second... the time you've all invested in me, gives you the right to know why I'm such a PIA, so here's some more personal crap.

Just prior to Christmas of 1985, I had a rod fused to my spine to correct a pretty severe curvature in my spine (scoliosis). 16 - 17 years later, I started experiencing the most intense pain I've ever felt, in my back. It was misdiagnosed, and therefor ineffectively treated. It was about 5 years later that they finally figured out what the real issue was. Because of the rod in my back, my spine is effectively a straight "bar" from between my shoulder blades, to just above my waist. As a result, the first free vertebrae beneath the fused portion of my spine, has shouldered all of the burden of my existence, and has been mangled. According to the spine specialists, it's inoperable. Furthermore... I was informed that further damage was inevitable and permanent (unless I spend the rest of my life in bed). Their only advice, was that I "learn my limitations". At that point, I didn't view government assistance as an option, and I had a home, a wife, 3 daughters, & 2 dogs to feed. I had been working in construction/maintenance, and continued to do so for quite a few years until my wife ended our marriage. A few months after that, I applied for disability benefits, and have been waiting for the approval from the court system for over 2 years now. Just to give you an idea of what my back issue is like... by the time I'm done showering & shaving... my lower back burns like it's on fire, my whole body shakes just from trying to hold me up, and I spend the rest of the night on the couch (or at the computer) in pain. Standing & walking for more than just a couple minutes is challenging to say the least. I now have arthritis in my back and knees. I get weird random muscle spasms and ichy/burning sensations several times each day (frequently in my left arm). To top it off... I've had 2 surgeries on the tendons in my left hand, and though it hasn't bothered me in a few years... carpal tunnel syndrome has had it's way with me as well. The only reason I've stayed alive, is my daughters. The only reason I WANT to be alive, is the bass guitar. I don't want anybody's pity (you can toss that in the bucket of wasted emotions, like regret)... I just wanted to enlighten you as to why this neck thing is as big of an issue as it is. Also... it was more important to me that my best friend in the whole world wind up with my Les Paul, than it was for me to have more money to buy a better bass. I'll have $1,500.00 to spend on a bass... no more, as I have no income now, nor for the foreseeable future. This eliminates the possibility for saving up for a custom shop piece. My boundaries are set, and I have to work within them. I'd love to find something around $1,000.00 so I could get an extension cab that would allow me to get the full 500 watts out of my amp, but I'd happily spend the whole wad on the right bass if/when it comes along. As I mentioned in an earlier posting... it's gonna be with me 'till I die, so I wanna do the best I can.

Hopefully this answers a lot of different questions you've probably had about me. I'm an open book to anyone that wants to talk more about any of this, but I'll encourage you to contact me via PM so as not to fill more of the club's pages with my crap.

My life got a whole bunch better when I met you folks, and I appreciate each of you.:D
 
A "old style" Fender C width neck is 44 mm or 1.73 inches at the nut. I understand a "modern" C width is less, but have no interest in "modern" P basses.
It is the original width P Bass neck. I have a few of them- an original '56 P Bass, a 69 Telecaster Bass and an 82 Fullerton 57 RI P Bass. Neck profile and fretboard radius also affect how a neck feels in the hand.
My C width necks all feel sizeable in the hand, but all feel different. The 69 Tele feels the biggest in your hand with a deep C profile with a fairly tight (vintage) fretboard radius (the classic Fender baseball bat), The Fullerton 57 RI has a flatter radius with a very soft V profile and so feels wide but shallower. The 56 has a tight vintage radius fretboard and a more pronounced V profile and actually feels the smallest of my 44 mm necks. It actually feels like a 70s Fender B width neck- 41 mm- to play, like I have on my 73 P Bass and &3 Telecaster Bass.
WOW man! Now that's thorough! I appreciate that!:thumbsup:
 
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Personally, if I were replacing a flame top les Paul that someone gave me, I'd replace it with another Gibson or something equivalent. I'm not saying don't do the 5-4 conversion on an epiphone but use the money from the les Paul on something that has close to the same value. But that's me and I count my nickels and dimes.
That's certainly my preference... but it all comes down to finding a big fat neck to choke. TBH... I'm curious enough about the T-bird 5/4 conversion, to wanna see if it's functionally possible. If it is... I'll most likely pursue it, whether it's as a primary bass, or just a cool project down the road.
 
First, let me say how much I appreciate the time and thought that you've all put into the various ideas and suggestions you've generously shared with me. It's amazing to have the support of so many experienced, knowledgable people... but I think we've reached the point at which this is becoming less of a "Thunderbird Club", and more of a "Help the Bald Sasquatch Find a Bass" club. I'm looking forward to seeing a couple measurements from the Pro-V neck, but after that, I'll take the cornucopia of information I've acquired, and see what I can do with it. Again... thank you all SO much!

Second... the time you've all invested in me, gives you the right to know why I'm such a PIA, so here's some more personal crap.

Just prior to Christmas of 1985, I had a rod fused to my spine to correct a pretty severe curvature in my spine (scoliosis). 16 - 17 years later, I started experiencing the most intense pain I've ever felt, in my back. It was misdiagnosed, and therefor ineffectively treated. It was about 5 years later that they finally figured out what the real issue was. Because of the rod in my back, my spine is effectively a straight "bar" from between my shoulder blades, to just above my waist. As a result, the first free vertebrae beneath the fused portion of my spine, has shouldered all of the burden of my existence, and has been mangled. According to the spine specialists, it's inoperable. Furthermore... I was informed that further damage was inevitable and permanent (unless I spend the rest of my life in bed). Their only advice, was that I "learn my limitations". At that point, I didn't view government assistance as an option, and I had a home, a wife, 3 daughters, & 2 dogs to feed. I had been working in construction/maintenance, and continued to do so for quite a few years until my wife ended our marriage. A few months after that, I applied for disability benefits, and have been waiting for the approval from the court system for over 2 years now. Just to give you an idea of what my back issue is like... by the time I'm done showering & shaving... my lower back burns like it's on fire, my whole body shakes just from trying to hold me up, and I spend the rest of the night on the couch (or at the computer) in pain. Standing & walking for more than just a couple minutes is challenging to say the least. I now have arthritis in my back and knees. I get weird random muscle spasms and ichy/burning sensations several times each day (frequently in my left arm). To top it off... I've had 2 surgeries on the tendons in my left hand, and though it hasn't bothered me in a few years... carpal tunnel syndrome has had it's way with me as well. The only reason I've stayed alive, is my daughters. The only reason I WANT to be alive, is the bass guitar. I don't want anybody's pity (you can toss that in the bucket of wasted emotions, like regret)... I just wanted to enlighten you as to why this neck thing is as big of an issue as it is. Also... it was more important to me that my best friend in the whole world wind up with my Les Paul, than it was for me to have more money to buy a better bass. I'll have $1,500.00 to spend on a bass... no more, as I have no income now, nor for the foreseeable future. This eliminates the possibility for saving up for a custom shop piece. My boundaries are set, and I have to work within them. I'd love to find something around $1,000.00 so I could get an extension cab that would allow me to get the full 500 watts out of my amp, but I'd happily spend the whole wad on the right bass if/when it comes along. As I mentioned in an earlier posting... it's gonna be with me 'till I die, so I wanna do the best I can.

Hopefully this answers a lot of different questions you've probably had about me. I'm an open book to anyone that wants to talk more about any of this, but I'll encourage you to contact me via PM so as not to fill more of the club's pages with my crap.

My life got a whole bunch better when I met you folks, and I appreciate each of you.:D
Dayum! That's a lot to shoulder and live through.
 
It's new, I'm not at all surprised - It's very, very common with better quality model trains, not unusual to run 6-12 months and anticipated release date and if you don't have one reserved with a supplier you can easily miss out.
So that means different industries are learning from each other. Is this good or bad? Depends on which side of the production run you are on, I guess.
 
So lookie what I gotsss

Just traded for it this morning. This is a for sure improvement over the bolt on bird. I set it up for drop B and this bass sounder ferocious. The owner threw in a padded 3" strap and neck dive is nowhere to be found. I think I found a keeper :)
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