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Thunderbird Club

So lookie what I gotsss

Just traded for it this morning. This is a for sure improvement over the bolt on bird. I set it up for drop B and this bass sounder ferocious. The owner threw in a padded 3" strap and neck dive is nowhere to be found. I think I found a keeper :) View attachment 1185280

Despite all the clever clever people telling you it's the worst bass in this or any other universe. You'll be sorry (not).
 
That's a handy list! Thanks for linking me up!

The Rodger Waters sig. P-bass is also 1.75" at the nut. That's the widest 4 string bass nut width I've heard of.

@JJR58 mentioned that he used to have one of those AVRIs. He said the neck was so big that he sold it cuz he couldn't get used to it. I love the sound of that... but I would most likely land on a Ric before I would go for an FSO.

I think the '62 AVRI Precisions had some of the best necks on the planet. Wide and flat. I've had a few people play mine and comment on it being a difficult neck to get accustomed to given it has quite wide string spacing, a very wide nut, and is so thin back to front. However, I find the thicker necks on the newer '63 and '58 AVRIs are somewhat less comfortable. Still playable, but with the same width and a greater depth, they certainly feel heftier and require a bit more effort to play. The 1.5" of a Jazz bass or normal Thunderbird, while still playable, feels altogether rather cramped, a bit too tight on the string spacing, especially on the lower frets.
 
First, let me say how much I appreciate the time and thought that you've all put into the various ideas and suggestions you've generously shared with me. It's amazing to have the support of so many experienced, knowledgable people... but I think we've reached the point at which this is becoming less of a "Thunderbird Club", and more of a "Help the Bald Sasquatch Find a Bass" club. I'm looking forward to seeing a couple measurements from the Pro-V neck, but after that, I'll take the cornucopia of information I've acquired, and see what I can do with it. Again... thank you all SO much!

Second... the time you've all invested in me, gives you the right to know why I'm such a PIA, so here's some more personal crap.

Just prior to Christmas of 1985, I had a rod fused to my spine to correct a pretty severe curvature in my spine (scoliosis). 16 - 17 years later, I started experiencing the most intense pain I've ever felt, in my back. It was misdiagnosed, and therefor ineffectively treated. It was about 5 years later that they finally figured out what the real issue was. Because of the rod in my back, my spine is effectively a straight "bar" from between my shoulder blades, to just above my waist. As a result, the first free vertebrae beneath the fused portion of my spine, has shouldered all of the burden of my existence, and has been mangled. According to the spine specialists, it's inoperable. Furthermore... I was informed that further damage was inevitable and permanent (unless I spend the rest of my life in bed). Their only advice, was that I "learn my limitations". At that point, I didn't view government assistance as an option, and I had a home, a wife, 3 daughters, & 2 dogs to feed. I had been working in construction/maintenance, and continued to do so for quite a few years until my wife ended our marriage. A few months after that, I applied for disability benefits, and have been waiting for the approval from the court system for over 2 years now. Just to give you an idea of what my back issue is like... by the time I'm done showering & shaving... my lower back burns like it's on fire, my whole body shakes just from trying to hold me up, and I spend the rest of the night on the couch (or at the computer) in pain. Standing & walking for more than just a couple minutes is challenging to say the least. I now have arthritis in my back and knees. I get weird random muscle spasms and ichy/burning sensations several times each day (frequently in my left arm). To top it off... I've had 2 surgeries on the tendons in my left hand, and though it hasn't bothered me in a few years... carpal tunnel syndrome has had it's way with me as well. The only reason I've stayed alive, is my daughters. The only reason I WANT to be alive, is the bass guitar. I don't want anybody's pity (you can toss that in the bucket of wasted emotions, like regret)... I just wanted to enlighten you as to why this neck thing is as big of an issue as it is. Also... it was more important to me that my best friend in the whole world wind up with my Les Paul, than it was for me to have more money to buy a better bass. I'll have $1,500.00 to spend on a bass... no more, as I have no income now, nor for the foreseeable future. This eliminates the possibility for saving up for a custom shop piece. My boundaries are set, and I have to work within them. I'd love to find something around $1,000.00 so I could get an extension cab that would allow me to get the full 500 watts out of my amp, but I'd happily spend the whole wad on the right bass if/when it comes along. As I mentioned in an earlier posting... it's gonna be with me 'till I die, so I wanna do the best I can.

Hopefully this answers a lot of different questions you've probably had about me. I'm an open book to anyone that wants to talk more about any of this, but I'll encourage you to contact me via PM so as not to fill more of the club's pages with my crap.

My life got a whole bunch better when I met you folks, and I appreciate each of you.:D
Dude, your wit and wisdom are a key feature to your personality, above and beyond everything youve shared with us about your personal life experiences and setbacks Im thinking "Damn this guy is built tough". Hell I think I visit the club more often just to see what you said next.:):thumbsup:
 
Until I get the measurements, here's a picture of the Pro-IV and Pro-V side by side for comparison - The neck of the Pro-IV has a 1.5" nut like the Classic Pro.

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After seeing that neck width thread, and the bloke that turns Rickenbackers into 5 strings; theoretically I could convert my Goth to 5 strings with its 1.73" nut width?
I say theoretically because I guess it would cost more than a Goth would to buy.
 
First, let me say how much I appreciate the time and thought that you've all put into the various ideas and suggestions you've generously shared with me. It's amazing to have the support of so many experienced, knowledgable people... but I think we've reached the point at which this is becoming less of a "Thunderbird Club", and more of a "Help the Bald Sasquatch Find a Bass" club. I'm looking forward to seeing a couple measurements from the Pro-V neck, but after that, I'll take the cornucopia of information I've acquired, and see what I can do with it. Again... thank you all SO much!

Second... the time you've all invested in me, gives you the right to know why I'm such a PIA, so here's some more personal crap.

Just prior to Christmas of 1985, I had a rod fused to my spine to correct a pretty severe curvature in my spine (scoliosis). 16 - 17 years later, I started experiencing the most intense pain I've ever felt, in my back. It was misdiagnosed, and therefor ineffectively treated. It was about 5 years later that they finally figured out what the real issue was. Because of the rod in my back, my spine is effectively a straight "bar" from between my shoulder blades, to just above my waist. As a result, the first free vertebrae beneath the fused portion of my spine, has shouldered all of the burden of my existence, and has been mangled. According to the spine specialists, it's inoperable. Furthermore... I was informed that further damage was inevitable and permanent (unless I spend the rest of my life in bed). Their only advice, was that I "learn my limitations". At that point, I didn't view government assistance as an option, and I had a home, a wife, 3 daughters, & 2 dogs to feed. I had been working in construction/maintenance, and continued to do so for quite a few years until my wife ended our marriage. A few months after that, I applied for disability benefits, and have been waiting for the approval from the court system for over 2 years now. Just to give you an idea of what my back issue is like... by the time I'm done showering & shaving... my lower back burns like it's on fire, my whole body shakes just from trying to hold me up, and I spend the rest of the night on the couch (or at the computer) in pain. Standing & walking for more than just a couple minutes is challenging to say the least. I now have arthritis in my back and knees. I get weird random muscle spasms and ichy/burning sensations several times each day (frequently in my left arm). To top it off... I've had 2 surgeries on the tendons in my left hand, and though it hasn't bothered me in a few years... carpal tunnel syndrome has had it's way with me as well. The only reason I've stayed alive, is my daughters. The only reason I WANT to be alive, is the bass guitar. I don't want anybody's pity (you can toss that in the bucket of wasted emotions, like regret)... I just wanted to enlighten you as to why this neck thing is as big of an issue as it is. Also... it was more important to me that my best friend in the whole world wind up with my Les Paul, than it was for me to have more money to buy a better bass. I'll have $1,500.00 to spend on a bass... no more, as I have no income now, nor for the foreseeable future. This eliminates the possibility for saving up for a custom shop piece. My boundaries are set, and I have to work within them. I'd love to find something around $1,000.00 so I could get an extension cab that would allow me to get the full 500 watts out of my amp, but I'd happily spend the whole wad on the right bass if/when it comes along. As I mentioned in an earlier posting... it's gonna be with me 'till I die, so I wanna do the best I can.

Hopefully this answers a lot of different questions you've probably had about me. I'm an open book to anyone that wants to talk more about any of this, but I'll encourage you to contact me via PM so as not to fill more of the club's pages with my crap.

My life got a whole bunch better when I met you folks, and I appreciate each of you.:D
Wow, man, that's really heavy. Glad you're able to maintain a positive outlook.
 
A "old style" Fender C width neck is 44 mm or 1.73 inches at the nut. I understand a "modern" C width is less, but have no interest in "modern" P basses.
It is the original width P Bass neck. I have a few of them- an original '56 P Bass, a 69 Telecaster Bass and an 82 Fullerton 57 RI P Bass. Neck profile and fretboard radius also affect how a neck feels in the hand.
My C width necks all feel sizeable in the hand, but all feel different. The 69 Tele feels the biggest in your hand with a deep C profile with a fairly tight (vintage) fretboard radius (the classic Fender baseball bat), The Fullerton 57 RI has a flatter radius with a very soft V profile and so feels wide but shallower. The 56 has a tight vintage radius fretboard and a more pronounced V profile and actually feels the smallest of my 44 mm necks. It actually feels like a 70s Fender B width neck- 41 mm- to play, like I have on my 73 P Bass and &3 Telecaster Bass.

My '55 Precision was 1.75" as are my two Fender USA Custom Shop Precision necks and my buddy's 65 P and early Tele basses.. That was THE Fender P width from '51 until at least '68 USA didn't do mm. The nominal size was 1.75 although profiles vary. "A,B, C, and D" originally referred to neck width. D being 1.75 and A being 1.5. '51 thru 55 were baseball bat chunky.

Hell, my 1960 EBO is 1.75"...when Bass Players were men not converted Guitards.
Maybe Gitmorons will get past the censors
 
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OK, someone has to say it..."slow your roll, playa'!" You have been through 5 or more basses ( I think)in a very short time frame. 4 string to 5 string back to 4 string now 5 string conversion.....Rickenbacker, Fender, Gibson etc. Me thinks your are suffering from an information/sensory overload! Now your on to customizing your nutz?!!!:smug:

It is almost time for the TB trust Circle and Intervention group chat!!:D
I gather @theFixer is somewhat like me in that I learn by asking questions and storing the info. Then if ever I do find a need I have a bulk load of information to mull over, then discard the idea if required or make plans if it all comes together.
Things I ask about (and learn about) may be way out of my reach but I still think about them. They may never come about but I enjoy the thinking. :)
I'm just widely (wildly?) curious.
 
Dude, your wit and wisdom are a key feature to your personality, above and beyond everything youve shared with us about your personal life experiences and setbacks Im thinking "Damn this guy is built tough". Hell I think I visit the club more often just to see what you said next.:):thumbsup:
Wow! Thanks man! I don't really know about that whole "tough" thing... but when you figure out what I'm gonna say next, lemme know so I can post it:woot:
 
After seeing that neck width thread, and the bloke that turns Rickenbackers into 5 strings; theoretically I could convert my Goth to 5 strings with its 1.73" nut width?
I say theoretically because I guess it would cost more than a Goth would to buy.

Someone has done that conversion, so yes it can be done:

Hot Rod/ Rat Rod Thunderbird frame up rebuild.
 
First, let me say how much I appreciate the time and thought that you've all put into the various ideas and suggestions you've generously shared with me. It's amazing to have the support of so many experienced, knowledgable people... but I think we've reached the point at which this is becoming less of a "Thunderbird Club", and more of a "Help the Bald Sasquatch Find a Bass" club. I'm looking forward to seeing a couple measurements from the Pro-V neck, but after that, I'll take the cornucopia of information I've acquired, and see what I can do with it. Again... thank you all SO much!

Second... the time you've all invested in me, gives you the right to know why I'm such a PIA, so here's some more personal crap.

Just prior to Christmas of 1985, I had a rod fused to my spine to correct a pretty severe curvature in my spine (scoliosis). 16 - 17 years later, I started experiencing the most intense pain I've ever felt, in my back. It was misdiagnosed, and therefor ineffectively treated. It was about 5 years later that they finally figured out what the real issue was. Because of the rod in my back, my spine is effectively a straight "bar" from between my shoulder blades, to just above my waist. As a result, the first free vertebrae beneath the fused portion of my spine, has shouldered all of the burden of my existence, and has been mangled. According to the spine specialists, it's inoperable. Furthermore... I was informed that further damage was inevitable and permanent (unless I spend the rest of my life in bed). Their only advice, was that I "learn my limitations". At that point, I didn't view government assistance as an option, and I had a home, a wife, 3 daughters, & 2 dogs to feed. I had been working in construction/maintenance, and continued to do so for quite a few years until my wife ended our marriage. A few months after that, I applied for disability benefits, and have been waiting for the approval from the court system for over 2 years now. Just to give you an idea of what my back issue is like... by the time I'm done showering & shaving... my lower back burns like it's on fire, my whole body shakes just from trying to hold me up, and I spend the rest of the night on the couch (or at the computer) in pain. Standing & walking for more than just a couple minutes is challenging to say the least. I now have arthritis in my back and knees. I get weird random muscle spasms and ichy/burning sensations several times each day (frequently in my left arm). To top it off... I've had 2 surgeries on the tendons in my left hand, and though it hasn't bothered me in a few years... carpal tunnel syndrome has had it's way with me as well. The only reason I've stayed alive, is my daughters. The only reason I WANT to be alive, is the bass guitar. I don't want anybody's pity (you can toss that in the bucket of wasted emotions, like regret)... I just wanted to enlighten you as to why this neck thing is as big of an issue as it is. Also... it was more important to me that my best friend in the whole world wind up with my Les Paul, than it was for me to have more money to buy a better bass. I'll have $1,500.00 to spend on a bass... no more, as I have no income now, nor for the foreseeable future. This eliminates the possibility for saving up for a custom shop piece. My boundaries are set, and I have to work within them. I'd love to find something around $1,000.00 so I could get an extension cab that would allow me to get the full 500 watts out of my amp, but I'd happily spend the whole wad on the right bass if/when it comes along. As I mentioned in an earlier posting... it's gonna be with me 'till I die, so I wanna do the best I can.

Hopefully this answers a lot of different questions you've probably had about me. I'm an open book to anyone that wants to talk more about any of this, but I'll encourage you to contact me via PM so as not to fill more of the club's pages with my crap.

My life got a whole bunch better when I met you folks, and I appreciate each of you.:D

Bummer, man..! You've been through Hell and all - Glad to hear you've come through all the hardship and are now seeing things from a positive perspective. Can't imagine how your life must have been.

Thanks for sharing... :)