Thunderbird Club

[TBird1958]

I can’t...way too easy

Just finished a super fun gig in Splendora, TX. T Bird sounded like a million bucks! But I only made about $400 :/

How many miles is that from Nashville, Mark?
I almost hate to ask!

 

[theFixer]

Yep, Eskimo Brothers. I always used the 2002 Gibson w/ Lollars and Cobalt flats with them. Works every time

 

[dukeorock]

How many miles is that from Nashville, Mark?
I almost hate to ask!

A little over 500 miles. We did two nights at a place in Splendora...headed to New Orleans tomorrow, then a little over 500 miles home. #vanlife

 

[Haji]

If Mark would quit purposefully scheduling gigs on days I have to work, I'd go see them guys.

Kingdom Come got labelled as a Led Zeppelin rip off, but they really were a good band. They were a heck of a lot less of a Led Zeppelin clone than Greta Van Fleet is.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

I have a set of Lollars in one Epi, and Chinabuckers in another. The CB’s are very aggressive sounding as compared to the Lollars which are very full and rich. To me, the Lollars can be eq’d to get aggressive. But the CB’s are inherently that way. It’s a love hate with the Chinabuckers for some. I don’t have experience with the Thunderbuckers, or Lulls, or any other for that matter. But there are some decent clips on YouTube where you can here those. Top notch in my opinion. I’m very happy with the Lollars and CB’s.

I've been characterizing Tbird pickups. For me, I had read the the TB 66s were an exact replica of those built by Gibson at that time. I have the TBs in my BaCH NR. For comparison's sake I tried my BaCH against my 68 single pickup NR with the back pickup rolled off on the BaCH and they sound nothing alike. Same strings (D'Addario XL105s), same amplifier settings and still a huge difference. It becomes clear to me (not surprisingly) that this is not a very scientific test as too many variables (I call them knobs) exist.
I have now managed to collect a decent sample population that includes;
2013 Gibson Humbuckers
1976 Gibson Sidewinders
XX66 Thunderbuckers
1968 Gibson Humbucker
I measured all of these for DC resistance Rdc, Inductance (extrapolated) L and parasitic capacitance Cp.
I am now in the process of AC sweeping these samples to determine their AC Bandwidth response.
For now, I'm using Peter Hiscocks' method (attached) but using a discreet siggen and a dual trace 20MHz analog scope.
Since I may have access to an Audio Precision APx511 analyzer I fugerd I use this approach prior to considering the Syscomp CGR-101 Hiscocks is marketing by way of the attached document. Regardless, I will use some type of automated data capture as I don't want to do tabulate manually with Excel. His Lissajous pattern approach is by no means novel but very effective for this. Once I'm done with the initial set of measurements, and assuming the data looks consistent, I may move to a Driver Coil to go more full circle.

2013 Gibson Bucker;

Lissajous pattern response;

 

[PillO]

Who knew my sausages would get such a rise out of everyone.

Surely you knew there would be some kinda reaction when you chose to display yer sausage

And to think, we haven't even seen his buns yet!

Phrasing!

 

[PillO]

If Mark would quit purposefully scheduling gigs on days I have to work, I'd go see them guys.

Kingdom Come got labelled as a Led Zeppelin rip off, but they really were a good band. They were a heck of a lot less of a Led Zeppelin clone than Greta Van Fleet is.

I bought their debut album within weeks of it coming out. I don't recall thinking that they sounded that much like Zeppelin, but perhaps that is why I liked them. I saw them open for the Scorpions; they appeared to be having a bad night; not musically, but just things not working for them on stage. The crowd wasn't with them. Some of us wanted to hear them, but many were indifferent or were impatient for the Scorpions.

 

[PillO]

I've been characterizing Tbird pickups. For me, I had read the the TB 66s were an exact replica of those built by Gibson at that time. I have the TBs in my BaCH NR. For comparison's sake I tried my BaCH against my 68 single pickup NR with the back pickup rolled off on the BaCH and they sound nothing alike. Same strings (D'Addario XL105s), same amplifier settings and still a huge difference. It becomes clear to me (not surprisingly) that this is not a very scientific test as too many variables (I call them knobs) exist.
I have now managed to collect a decent sample population that includes;
2013 Gibson Humbuckers
1976 Gibson Sidewinders
XX66 Thunderbuckers
1968 Gibson Humbucker
I measured all of these for DC resistance Rdc, Inductance (extrapolated) L and parasitic capacitance Cp.
I am now in the process of AC sweeping these samples to determine their AC Bandwidth response.
For now, I'm using Peter Hiscocks' method (attached) but using a discreet siggen and a dual trace 20MHz analog scope.
Since I may have access to an Audio Precision APx511 analyzer I fugerd I use this approach prior to considering the Syscomp CGR-101 Hiscocks is marketing by way of the attached document. Regardless, I will use some type of automated data capture as I don't want to do tabulate manually with Excel. His Lissajous pattern approach is by no means novel but very effective for this. Once I'm done with the initial set of measurements, and assuming the data looks consistent, I may move to a Driver Coil to go more full circle.

2013 Gibson Bucker;

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Lissajous pattern response;
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You have the cool toys I would have liked to have had when I was in high school. Back when I used to fix TVs (which had tubes), fix tube amps, and work on guitar pedals. I remember learning some calculus to be able to do the math around a bunch of these things. But, I haven't thought about any of this in so long that I remember very little.

 

[GonePlaid]

Or 1x ThunderBucker or Lollar and go T’Bird II

And there ya go!

 

[Larry V]

Kingdom Come got labelled as a Led Zeppelin rip off, but they really were a good band. They were a heck of a lot less of a Led Zeppelin clone than Greta Van Fleet is.

I can’t disagree with that but at the same time I don’t care. These young guys have talent and they are shaking up the “new rock world” by going old school with soaring vocals and screaming guitars and a heavy percussive backbone.

As for Kingdom Come or Zebra or the Canadian Led Zeppelin(Rush’s first album), “borrowing” has always been a thing. I can’t or won’t fault these guys for doing what they’re doing because they’ve created a sensation in the rock scene that is desperately needed.

I’ve already caught two of their shows. The first last September and the second one last Tuesday. I shot the whole show on my iPhone zoomed in 4X so the video quality is “meh” but the sound quality is decent. Actually a ton better than the bootlegs I’ve collected through the years.

I’ve relistened to the Tuesday show a half dozen times since last Tuesday and enjoy it immensely.

If anyone’s interested, here’s the link to the four segment playlist that covers GVF’s performance from start to finish.

Greta Van Fleet - Entire Concert - Fillmore Detroit, 5/22/18 - YouTube

 

[JJR58]

I can’t disagree with that but at the same time I don’t care. These young guys have talent and they are shaking up the “new rock world” by going old school with soaring vocals and screaming guitars and a heavy percussive backbone.

As for Kingdom Come or Zebra or the Canadian Led Zeppelin(Rush’s first album), “borrowing” has always been a thing. I can’t or won’t fault these guys for doing what they’re doing because they’ve created a sensation in the rock scene that is desperately needed.

I’ve already caught two of their shows. The first last September and the second one last Tuesday. I shot the whole show on my iPhone zoomed in 4X so the video quality is “meh” but the sound quality is decent. Actually a ton better than the bootlegs I’ve collected through the years.

I’ve relistened to the Tuesday show a half dozen times since last Tuesday and enjoy it immensely.

If anyone’s interested, here’s the link to the four segment playlist that covers GVF’s performance from start to finish.

Greta Van Fleet - Entire Concert - Fillmore Detroit, 5/22/18 - YouTube

I’ll have to check this out later. Looks really good.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

You have the cool toys I would have liked to have had when I was in high school. Back when I used to fix TVs (which had tubes), fix tube amps, and work on guitar pedals. I remember learning some calculus to be able to do the math around a bunch of these things. But, I haven't thought about any of this in so long that I remember very little.

I don't know about where you are but around here tube guitar amplifier repair is rare and well sought after.
Musicians commute long distances to get their gear serviced.

 

[TBird1958]

Hollow body honeys..........

 

[Shannon]

Hollow body honeys..........
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I approve. That is all.

 

[theFixer]

Hollow body honeys..........
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WHOA!!! Never seen those before

 

[Count Bassie]

Hollow body honeys..........
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Oh. Baby.

 

[JJR58]

I’m with the above posts, amazing!!! Also have never seen those or knew they ever existed.

 

[TBird1958]

The red one is an EB-650, the natural an EB-750..........Note the Epiphone Newport!

 

[PillO]

I don't know about where you are but around here tube guitar amplifier repair is rare and well sought after.
Musicians commute long distances to get their gear serviced.

Other knowledge has squeezed that knowledge out. At the time, I had other priorities and there were people around that knew their way around tube amps. Now, I would have to re-learn all of that and my time is far more valuable elsewhere. Had I continued on that path, I would have gone to University for electrical engineering and probably started a company to develop pedals and amps that model tube amps using FETs and MOSFETs much like Andrew Barta did at Tech 21.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

Other knowledge has squeezed that knowledge out. At the time, I had other priorities and there were people around that knew their way around tube amps. Now, I would have to re-learn all of that and my time is far more valuable elsewhere. Had I continued on that path, I would have gone to University for electrical engineering and probably started a company to develop pedals and amps that model tube amps using FETs and MOSFETs much like Andrew Barta did at Tech 21.

I was not implying you doing it. I was just thinking of the days when most drug stores had a tube tester and a stock of tubes, and how that's all changed.