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Ok people I just saw (from a distance) the new Chev Silverado 2500 LTZ. It’s about to go (just has?) go on sale in Oz through Holden. It is converted locally by HSV to RHD.

Looked like this:
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IMO it looked great, but huge - like a block of flats (housing units).

Not sure what value it represents in the US... but way overpriced here.
$134,995 AUD recommended retail price (RRP)...
Looks similar to what’s been available here for a couple years :roflmao:

I’m surprised they are releasing a full size truck outside of North America.


Is that a Roadrunner beside it?!
 
Can’t remember if I showed off my new car - well it was new in May.

Plenty of room for Thunderbirds, amp and cabinet. Oh and all the various family requirements. 3.6lt V6 and 6speed auto, plenty of pep.:D

I also looked at the Equinox LTZ AWD which drove very well. My wife thought the interior ‘cheap’.

Mazda CX-5, boot too small for me. Back seat pretty tight as well

Subaru Outback, the dealer didnt bother contacting me. Didn’t feel like begging them to sell me a car, so put a line through it.

Ended up getting a NOS 2017 Holden Commodore SV6 wagon in “Son of a Gun” grey.

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I like it!!
 
Although I know that conversion to RHD and shipping a huge vehicle isn't cheap, it seems like there is a big chunk of tax included there. Do you have some sort of gas guzzler tax?

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Pick up trucks have grown over the past few decades to the point that they are gigantic now. So big that they no longer fit in a standard parking spot.

I appreciate that there is a need for some people such as contractors and farmers that need a truck, but it seems to me that too many people buy them as a daily driver. While I don't object to driving what you want, it seems like many of the people driving these things can't drive, are blind, and can't park.
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Around here everyone can’t drive, is blind, and can’t park... it’s just more noticeable when they’re in a big truck
 
in '81, I visited some folks I'd met in Miami who lived in Barrie and had a boat in Orillia. Pretty country-in summer, says the native Miamian.:thumbsup:

The southern edge of central Ontario or the northern edge of southern Ontario. Can't quite remember which... It is a great area. For local skiing, I go up there.

Having lived in northern Ontario, we would rage about the southern Ontario people that wanted to save the trees. I thought (and continue to think) that those that want to save the trees need to go to northern Ontario and see just how many trees there are.
 
Although I know that conversion to RHD and shipping a huge vehicle isn't cheap, it seems like there is a big chunk of tax included there. Do you have some sort of gas guzzler tax?

[rant]
Pick up trucks have grown over the past few decades to the point that they are gigantic now. So big that they no longer fit in a standard parking spot.

I appreciate that there is a need for some people such as contractors and farmers that need a truck, but it seems to me that too many people buy them as a daily driver. While I don't object to driving what you want, it seems like many of the people driving these things can't drive, are blind, and can't park.
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For cars there is a “luxury car tax” over a certain price point, but I don’t know if that is applied to trucks.
But there will be taxes, for sure.

It’s too big, but there was an atttaction when I saw that one today. I’ll give it that. Which surprised me. It was a head turner in white.

All the ones we are getting are with the 6.6 lt Duramax.

2018 Chevrolet Silverado prices*

2500 WT - $114,990

2500 LTZ - $134,990

2500 LTZ Midnight Edition - $139,990

2500 LTZ Custom Sport Edition - $139,990

3500 LTZ - $147,990

*All prices exclude on-road costs


The article I got the price from:
Chevrolet Silverado Australian prices revealed - Chevrolet Silverado Australian prices revealed

HSV are also doing a “Sportscat” version of the Colorado. No extra power, just fancied up.

They had to create another company to do the RAMs. ASV, same premises etc but no H (Holden) in the name.

Looks similar to what’s been available here for a couple years :roflmao:

I’m surprised they are releasing a full size truck outside of North America.


Is that a Roadrunner beside it?!

Could be. I think they may have just grabbed US photos for the article.

My cousin Pete in Canada (do you know him? :laugh:) has one like that with a whopping great “trailer” that they take south in winter. I think he clips his Harley on the back as well.
 
Although I know that conversion to RHD and shipping a huge vehicle isn't cheap, it seems like there is a big chunk of tax included there. Do you have some sort of gas guzzler tax?

I wonder why you wouldn't just import a LHD truck and drive it that way? I see the occasional RHD vehicle on the road here. It's a novelty but it isn't against the law.


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Pick up trucks have grown over the past few decades to the point that they are gigantic now. So big that they no longer fit in a standard parking spot.


Not entirely true.

1988 Silverado: 77" wide
1998 Silverado: 77" wide
2008 Silverado: 80" wide
2018 Silverado: 80" wide

1.5" about the CoV is not the reason those parking spots feel smaller. The line sprayers have increased parking lot capacity to the detriment of those of us that drive full-size trucks as our daily drivers.

The other thing that makes newer trucks appear "gigantic" are the enormous wheels and tires and the raised suspensions. The mirrors have also gotten larger so that truck owners don't need to buy after-market trailering mirrors like they had in the past. Additionally, some truck enthusiasts put after-market wheel opening flares on their trucks to make them look tougher and more industrial, pro-grade or some such nonsense. Automakers are now selling their trucks with the wheel flares from the factory in off-road packages.

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But I believe the single most thing that makes today's trucks appear larger is the higher suspensions and ginormous wheels and tires you see on the 2500 and 3500 Series trucks.

Let's remember that a full-size truck's width is based on being able to slide a 4' x 8' sheet of construction material between the wheel wells.

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Smaller trucks fit that same sheet above the wheel wells.

After that, the width of the truck is just a stack of minimum dimensions to package the wheels in their respective wheel openings.

I appreciate that there is a need for some people such as contractors and farmers that need a truck, but it seems to me that too many people buy them as a daily driver. While I don't object to driving what you want, it seems like many of the people driving these things can't drive, are blind, and can't park.
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I see waaaaaayyyyy more fancy SUV's with foreign makes(Infinity, Lexus, Mercedes) driven and parked atrociously by their latte sipping suburban housewife owners unable to manage their vehicle's size and poor turning radius.

YOMV but the pickup drivers I see mostly drive in the slow lane just over the speed limit(that's me, BTW) or at the speed limit. Once in awhile you'll see an aggressive pickup truck driver but IMO that's not the norm by any stretch.
 
I see waaaaaayyyyy more fancy SUV's with foreign makes(Infinity, Lexus, Mercedes) driven and parked atrociously by their latte sipping suburban housewife owners unable to manage their vehicle's size and poor turning radius.

YOMV but the pickup drivers I see mostly drive in the slow lane just over the speed limit(that's me, BTW) or at the speed limit. Once in awhile you'll see an aggressive pickup truck driver but IMO that's not the norm by any stretch.

Yeah, there is that too... Maybe my complaint is really about the inattention that many drivers exhibit, but it is more dangerous to me with larger vehicles.

Both categories - oversized SUV and oversized PU - in Ontario seem to get into the left (passing) lane and drive 5kmh over the limit regardless of the traffic around them.
 
Although I know that conversion to RHD and shipping a huge vehicle isn't cheap, it seems like there is a big chunk of tax included there. Do you have some sort of gas guzzler tax?

[rant]
Pick up trucks have grown over the past few decades to the point that they are gigantic now. So big that they no longer fit in a standard parking spot.

I appreciate that there is a need for some people such as contractors and farmers that need a truck, but it seems to me that too many people buy them as a daily driver. While I don't object to driving what you want, it seems like many of the people driving these things can't drive, are blind, and can't park.
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I look at those ppl and think "if ya can't drive/park it, don't buy it"
 
The southern edge of central Ontario or the northern edge of southern Ontario. Can't quite remember which... It is a great area. For local skiing, I go up there.

Having lived in northern Ontario, we would rage about the southern Ontario people that wanted to save the trees. I thought (and continue to think) that those that want to save the trees need to go to northern Ontario and see just how many trees there are.
OK, how many are there.
 
For cars there is a “luxury car tax” over a certain price point, but I don’t know if that is applied to trucks.
But there will be taxes, for sure.

It’s too big, but there was an atttaction when I saw that one today. I’ll give it that. Which surprised me. It was a head turner in white.

All the ones we are getting are with the 6.6 lt Duramax.

2018 Chevrolet Silverado prices*

2500 WT - $114,990

2500 LTZ - $134,990

2500 LTZ Midnight Edition - $139,990

2500 LTZ Custom Sport Edition - $139,990

3500 LTZ - $147,990

*All prices exclude on-road costs


The article I got the price from:
Chevrolet Silverado Australian prices revealed - Chevrolet Silverado Australian prices revealed

HSV are also doing a “Sportscat” version of the Colorado. No extra power, just fancied up.

They had to create another company to do the RAMs. ASV, same premises etc but no H (Holden) in the name.



Could be. I think they may have just grabbed US photos for the article.

My cousin Pete in Canada (do you know him? :laugh:) has one like that with a whopping great “trailer” that they take south in winter. I think he clips his Harley on the back as well.
I do know a Pete, and have seen big trucks and trailers with Harley’s :roflmao:
 
I wonder why you wouldn't just import a LHD truck and drive it that way? I see the occasional RHD vehicle on the road here. It's a novelty but it isn't against the law.



1988 Silverado: 77" wide
1998 Silverado: 77" wide
2008 Silverado: 80" wide
2018 Silverado: 80" wide

Let's remember that a full-size truck's width is based on being able to slide a 4' x 8' sheet of construction material between the wheel wells.

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Smaller trucks fit that same sheet above the wheel wells.

After that, the width of the truck is just a stack of minimum dimensions to package the wheels in their respective wheel openings.
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Here LHD is illegal except for collectors/historic cars over 25 (30?) years of age. Some exceptions for specialty items like street sweepers where there is an advantage in having the driver in the gutter. They must carry a large warning sign
“LEFT HAND DRIVE”. Lest the horses and children be frightened.

Holden (and Ford) sedan based utes (and generally station wagon companions) were able to carry building sheets or pallets between the wheel arches.
Unfortunately they went out of fashion in favour of the Hilux style pickups (I refuse to call them utes). When the Japanese pickups started out we used to call them mini-trucks.
 
Yeah, there is that too... Maybe my complaint is really about the inattention that many drivers exhibit, but it is more dangerous to me with larger vehicles.

Both categories - oversized SUV and oversized PU - in Ontario seem to get into the left (passing) lane and drive 5kmh over the limit regardless of the traffic around them.

I had been seeing that more and more with people driving slowly in the left lane irregardless of vehicle type. They get into the left lane, set the cruise control and with cellphone in hand, annoy the *%&@# out of everyone trying to get around their oblivious arses.

Just this week, along the stretch of US23 north and south for my commute, these signs have been installed.

Surprisingly, they seem to be making a difference. :thumbsup:


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I'm had been seeing that more and more with people driving slowly in the left lane irregardless of vehicle type. They get into the left lane, set the cruise control and with cellphone in hand, annoy the *%&@# out of everyone trying to get around their oblivious arses.

Just this week, along the stretch of US23 north and south for my commute, these signs have been installed.

Surprisingly, they seem to be making a difference. :thumbsup:


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After driving to and from Nashville, I still believe Southern Ontario has the worst drivers... maybe not including California but I haven’t driven there.
 
I'm had been seeing that more and more with people driving slowly in the left lane irregardless of vehicle type. They get into the left lane, set the cruise control and with cellphone in hand, annoy the *%&@# out of everyone trying to get around their oblivious arses.

Just this week, along the stretch of US23 north and south for my commute, these signs have been installed.

Surprisingly, they seem to be making a difference. :thumbsup:


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[grammar police] irregardless is not a word [/grammar police] I only point it out because of your policing yesterday :D

Those signs make absolutely no difference in Ontario. I will bet that the effect wears off. But the behaviour you describe is exactly what I see here. It appears to me that the problem is in policing. I regularly see cars with no brakelights (I don't mean one out; I mean none working), plenty of headlights not working, and many other infractions in front of police cars and nothing happens. Police only give tickets for speeding.

I'll end the rant here otherwise I will go on for pages.
 
New York is pretty bad. Ok, very bad.

New York is aggressive, but at least they are skillfull. In RI we get a lot of numb-headed, feckless drivers, entirely inconsiderate of traffic flow, or lacking understanding of why there is a thing called "procedure", that, if you practice, helps assure that miscommunications, etc ("accidents") don't happen.

Sick of it. I used to enjoy driving.