• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Thunderbird Club

When I saw Living Colour in 1989, Doug Wimbish did a bass switch by tossing them back and forth across the stage with his roadie.

That's how Jaco's "Bass of Doom" ended up in pieces. He told his roadie he would throw it over the amps on a specific side of the stage after a specific song - the roadie waited with open arms as he saw the bass flying over amps on the other side of the stage. Bass of >BOOM<

177217603_5179238c29.jpg bass-toss aftermath
 
Last edited:
That's how Jaco's "Bass of Doom" ended up in pieces. He told his roadie he would throw it over the amps on a specific side of the stage after a specific song - the roadie waited with open arms as he saw the bass flying over amps on the other side of the stage. Bass of >BOOM<
"My right or your right". That's how the Kasino got dropped from waist height. Luckily, all it suffered was a dent in the plywood above the controls.
 
Since you mention roadies... I was finally able to see Iron Maiden for the first time this year and I noticed that at no point did anyone on stage stomp a pedal, nor were there any pedals on the stage to be stomped now that I think about it. I assume that when one gets to Iron Maiden-level metal ability you 'have a guy for that', probably a roadie/instrument tech.

Pretty frickin' cool show, too.

I saw the Toronto stop (first show). Initially, I said - why do I want to see Maiden now, they are so 80s. But I was convinced that they still bring a great show and that since I stopped listening around 90, they have produced some great music. Right on both accounts. I liked the structure of the show - a martial set, an ecclesiastical set, and finally a horror set.

WRT stomp boxes on stage - many of the big acts don't seem to be using them now. I recall for GnR, Slash had a single treadle on stage for wah. I also recall an interview with Nita Strauss (Alice Cooper) and she was asked how she managed wah - did she have someone back stage operating a treadle for her - no (although her tech likely would) she uses an envelope filter so that she doesn't need pedals on stage.
 
I gotta wonder: how many people in the audience could discern any difference(sonically)between guitars. Not talking how each 'feels' to the player. Only the sounds the crowd hears. And at "normal" R&R show volumes, can anyone hear a difference?

I suspect that the changes are not about sound quality, but primarily about tuning and perhaps to a lesser degree feel.
 
I leave my Thunderbirds out at the house all the time, Seattle isn't known for radical changes in humidity. The only time I am careful with the Birds is when I travel, they're the last things into the car and the first out when I get where I'm going. I am careful with them, and did have a bad experience once when I had them inside a hotel room, the house keeping staff opened the doors to the outside while cleaning our room - it was cold outside and the room temp dropped radically and stayed that way for awhile. Upon our return I questioned the maid about it and was upset. When I took my '89 out it did indeed have a bit of upwards bow and was not playable, a trip to Mike Lull solved the issue.

Contrary to some, the center post of the three point is lower than the out board ones.
XwjBf91.jpg


tjn0DDY.jpg
 
That's how Jaco's "Bass of Doom" ended up in pieces. He told his roadie he would throw it over the amps on a specific side of the stage after a specific song - the roadie waited with open arms as he saw the bass flying over amps on the other side of the stage. Bass of >BOOM<
"My right or your right". That's how the Kasino got dropped from waist height. Luckily, all it suffered was a dent in the plywood above the controls.
If either of those had been made by Pete Traynor...
 
I gotta wonder: how many people in the audience could discern any difference(sonically)between guitars. Not talking how each 'feels' to the player. Only the sounds the crowd hears. And at "normal" R&R show volumes, can anyone hear a difference?

Sometimes it does sound different, like a baritone or a 12 string or a guitar with different tuning, but Tweedy and Nels for sure are hard-core guitar geeks so there's no surprise there. Way before Nels joined Wilco he essentially used one guitar (black '59 Jazzmaster that Watt gave him). That was when he had little money and probably most of what he made went into pedals! With Wilco, more money - more guitars! Tweedy as BL would be a very bad influence for GAS.
 
I leave my Thunderbirds out at the house all the time, Seattle isn't known for radical changes in humidity. The only time I am careful with the Birds is when I travel, they're the last things into the car and the first out when I get where I'm going. I am careful with them, and did have a bad experience once when I had them inside a hotel room, the house keeping staff opened the doors to the outside while cleaning our room - it was cold outside and the room temp dropped radically and stayed that way for awhile. Upon our return I questioned the maid about it and was upset. When I took my '89 out it did indeed have a bit of upwards bow and was not playable, a trip to Mike Lull solved the issue.

Contrary to some, the center post of the three point is lower than the out board ones.
XwjBf91.jpg


tjn0DDY.jpg
Hmm. That makes sense!<ETA> if mine was a 3 point, I'd try that.
 
Last edited:
I gotta wonder: how many people in the audience could discern any difference(sonically)between guitars. Not talking how each 'feels' to the player. Only the sounds the crowd hears. And at "normal" R&R show volumes, can anyone hear a difference?

Even at R&R volume I can easily tell the difference between various guitars i.e. Angus and Malcom Young, playing Gibson and Gretsch respectively. Strats, even more so, while not my favorite guitar, in the right hands (i.e. Ritchie Blackmore or Robin Trower) it's a great sounding instrument with a unique voice.
 
Even at R&R volume I can easily tell the difference between various guitars i.e. Angus and Malcom Young, playing Gibson and Gretsch respectively. Strats, even more so, while not my favorite guitar, in the right hands (i.e. Ritchie Blackmore or Robin Trower) it's a great sounding instrument with a unique voice.
Oh, yeah. Our 2 guitarists have 2-3 guitars each, but only bring one per gig.
I agree most musicians can tell a difference but most audience members can't, especially if everything is distorted.
 
Yeah, yer prolly right. Not being a gee-tar player, I don't think of different tunings
Not even different tunings, just getting re-tuned to pitch. Look at a guitar the wrong way and it goes out of tune. But more specifically, non-Floyd Rose whammy bars, strings that hang a hard left or right immediately upon entering the headstock from the nut etc.

I have also seen bass players switching out instruments between songs - sometimes the instruments look identical, so much like a magician's misdirection, you don't even notice it happened. Again, probably primarily for tuning.
 
Not even different tunings, just getting re-tuned to pitch. Look at a guitar the wrong way and it goes out of tune. But more specifically, non-Floyd Rose whammy bars, strings that hang a hard left or right immediately upon entering the headstock from the nut etc.

I have also seen bass players switching out instruments between songs - sometimes the instruments look identical, so much like a magician's misdirection, you don't even notice it happened. Again, probably primarily for tuning.
The way some o' these guys whack and bend the hell outta the strings, it wouldn't be too much of a shock to see them switch mid-song.
 
Last edited:
I leave my Thunderbirds out at the house all the time, Seattle isn't known for radical changes in humidity. The only time I am careful with the Birds is when I travel, they're the last things into the car and the first out when I get where I'm going. I am careful with them, and did have a bad experience once when I had them inside a hotel room, the house keeping staff opened the doors to the outside while cleaning our room - it was cold outside and the room temp dropped radically and stayed that way for awhile. Upon our return I questioned the maid about it and was upset. When I took my '89 out it did indeed have a bit of upwards bow and was not playable, a trip to Mike Lull solved the issue.

Contrary to some, the center post of the three point is lower than the out board ones.
XwjBf91.jpg


tjn0DDY.jpg
yup..
EAF20F9E-C1C8-4692-8065-0ABD7C8A09AC.jpeg