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TMI: this is why it has taken me so long to get started ...

Greetings and Salutations!

I would love to say that I am a newbie bass player, but I haven't even gotten to that point yet! Despite the fact that I have long LONGED to play guitar, I never quite got around to picking it up. I had always thought it more flexible and sociable than piano, which I had HAD learned to play. Well, sort of - if you count years of learning classical pieces by practicing them into muscle memory for performance at recitals as "learning to play."

I never really understood the relations of the chord structures I was committing to memory or what they meant in terms of I, IV, V, or V7th which is how they were labelled in my notebook. Essentially, I could read music well enough to match the stuff on sheet music to keys on the piano and, given enough hours of practice, eventually translate that into some impressive sounding music that makes my instructor look skilled in the later performances at a student recital.

But even my understanding of musical notation was never intuitive enough to grasp how what I was looking at would SOUND without first plinking it all out and mathematically calculating the rhythms. Sight reading ability was easier for me to do in a single vocal melody line and nearly impossible in a complex piano part with two hands and chords. Oh, how I envied the people who could sit down and just PLAY something upon request, even making it up as they went along...

Music is generally poorly taught all around, I think.

I had a short stint in grade school with the violin, which I happily traded for piano so as not to offend my own ear with the scritchy scratchy sounds of amateur technique on a stringed instrument. Piano, when played poorly, at least never sounds quite as bad as other instruments which require more coordination than pushing the key to create a pleasant tone like woodwinds and strings. Wrong notes were just the ones that didn't get the correct key pushed, not that pushing the key ever produced an out of tune note unless the instrument itself was out of tune.

But piano instruction was just my aunt and some simple tunes and exercises for a few years, and then later a highly in demand neighborhood teacher who happened to be my friend's mom. She took me in as a student at a discounted price, which I had always thought was because of the friendship. It was only recently that it occurred to me that I was a desirable student, despite my reluctance to practice, because I was a very talented performer.

Recitals, you see, were showcases of the work produced by the instructor. They were always organized in the order of performance from novice to the most advanced, with those students who had been studying longest performing at the end to give people a reason to stay through the renditions of "twinkle twinkle" or whatever in the first third of the show. Even when I joined the ranks, I began somewhere in the middle, and quickly ended up in the final third of the program. I had a knack for the musical FEEL of things, and a flair for performing so as not to choke under pressure. So I could make even a simple piece a more impressive one in recital than a more complex piece played by another less skilled but technically more advanced student.

But I always felt like part of the audience myself by that time, having learned the piece so well that I would sort of start with my hands in the proper position and just begin, and then listened to my fingers do whatever they had been trained to do without thinking about it. I haven't touched a piano for more than a decade but if I tried right now, I could at least make it through the first section of J.S. Bach's Invention No. 8 before my fingers forget what they are doing, and maybe even all the way through C.P.E. Bach's Solfegietto with only a couple of hitches. The thing is, for all the years of piano that I played throughout my school years, the only thing I have to show for it is a handful of pieces that I liked enough to play them every now and then so they stayed embedded in my fingers. I couldn't even make myself useful at a Christmas party to play along with the caroling if I wanted to.

But music has been a constant for me, necessary even. Through dance and singing or just listening. I really started to get a bit more of a deeper understanding of music in college after a single semester of music theory as a class, no instrument required, just THEORY. I wanted to know more, but never got to continue that formal sort of instruction since I transferred out of that school.

I DID get to join an a cappella group once I got to my new school, and THAT did wonders for my understanding of how music WORKED, in a way. I fell in love with how do wop groups would sound and how the barbershop quartet at my old school would combine funny skits into their shows. But the best thing about college a cappella groups was how they would render modern pop songs that I knew with their own voices.

Through hearing every sound in the context of the human voice alone, I began to hear each voice of the background music as a separate part instead of a mashup musical wall of instrumental sound where maybe only the drums would stand out as a separate thing. In hearing each separate note of a chord through a trio of voices, it was more obvious how each note moved from one to the next in a progression and see how each voice had its own melody within it.

Previous to this experience, though I sang in a chorus nearly every year at school and in some separate madrigal groups too, I could not have improvised a harmony to anything. I had to be taught whatever part I would sing as a separate thing. Then one morning after being saturated with a cappella renderings of familiar songs that I discovered in a whole new way, I woke up and understood that I'd had some kind of epiphany during the night, and suddenly could improvise a harmony to anything. I have no idea what triggered this fundamental change, but it was a paradigm shift for me.

Throughout all of this, I had only thought vaguely of picking up guitar as a hobby, thinking it would "be nice to learn", and it was all rather academic and really only acoustic in consideration. And then came the Playstation. Guitar Hero. Holy crap. That game made me like songs I never would have listened to, appreciate songs I had always disliked, and in a weird roundabout way has made it a much bigger tragedy to me that we lost Prince before I had a chance to see him perform live. Now I REALLY wanted to learn to play guitar.

Well, actually, maybe BASS guitar.

The thing that had frustrated me with a cappella and my own voice was a physical limit to how low I could go. There was a fella in my college choir that I fell in love with the instant he spoke, thanks to that rumbling low baritone reverb of the way he said "hello". I am jealous of Bobby McFerrin and the range of tones he has to play with in his voice in a song like "Thinkin about your Body." And Sting, whose children I would bear in a second, in concert every time makes me actually want to BE a bass guitar. Something about that sound, down there in the basement, is the foundation of my connection with music and everything else.

That bottom is the foundation, and with it the drums, they are the rhythm which drives the heartbeat of a tune. Interesting that one of the my most intensely favorite songs is "When Doves Cry" which actually HAS no bassline per se, but it's there anyway in the drums. I also love the thunder of the Taiko drummers around Bon Odori time, which aren't that far a cry from the tribal rhythms of the Native Americans and African drum circles. That sound of the Ladysmith Black Mambazo that I so love, and Johnny Clegg and Savuka. That is all right where I LIVE.

And then my boyfriend's parked car got hit by a stolen Hummer one day, which happened to belong to a bona fide rock star, who presented him with a guitar and an amp as a way to make up for the pathetic offering made by the insurance company as compensation. And hanging out with him and his girlfriend was beyond fun, and he suggested we might try writing some stuff together (and then he went a little nuts before that could happen because of terrible people who stole a lot of money from him and he lost his house, but that is a whole other story which has yet to play out, as we have lost touch for the moment, but I hope that he will sort things out all right.)

Then my boyfriend's friend got Rocksmith for Christmas, which he then left over at our house. I had no more excuses, it was time to do something. But the first questions when starting up Rocksmith are of course, what do want to play? And I had to be honest, I want to play bass.

So I stagnated a little longer until I got really bored and fed up with my life not going where I want and almost making it to the stage in the final season of X Factor (I got all the way to the end of the producers rounds in Los Angeles, and I think song choice might have had a lot more to do with not being selected than anything. If they would have gone just one more season, I would have been there in front of Simon et al, I just know it. Unfortunately, I am too old for Idol.)

And then some Facebook meme about filling your life with the things that you love to do, and the ridiculously viral video of a woman delighted with her Chewbacca mask that she bought lit a fire under me and cranked up the urgency of the idea that I need to be playing bass, because I would love it, and I would be GOOD at it, and it would be the gateway to my maybe doing some writing on my own (having gotten a small glimpse of how it might be done thanks to my bf's car getting hit, I think it might be key for me to give a musical shape to some of these ideas in my head.) Anyway, it really started to feel like it was time to do something, so I started looking at maybe renting a bass to try it out.

But no one knew anything about that, no matter where I inquired, so I was kind of at a loss. I don't have a lot of money, and as I wasn't really sure I could handle a bass, I didn't want to sink cash into it if it was not a sure thing. But then I found out there were some cheap options available, if not the greatest instruments, they wouldn't be as expensive as I'd imagined at first.

And then I ran into the biggest hurdle yet. The thing that has been keeping me from actually starting this project is the overwhelming amount of choices that I am totally ill equipped to make! Who knew there were so many bloody different kinds of guitars to choose from? Terminology alone was like how they used to describe getting an education at MIT : "like trying to drink from a fire hose." But I was determined, and patient enough to wade through it for days, watching videos trying to decide if I like the P or J sound better, and consulted countless guides on what to look for in an instrument. And tried to figure out if I wanted to go with a five string instead of four right from the start, since I will undoubtedly eventually want that extra low B if I stick with it. Lost of that consulting landed me here on this forum more than once.

And miracle of miracles, something happened all at once when I stumbled onto the existence of a 5 string short scale bass that was within reach of my budget and also a promising solution to the concern I had about the weight of a 5 string being too much for my tiny frame (only 5'2"). I went to various shops to hold whatever I could to get some kind of feel for the various instruments, but the more info I got, the more I was drawn to the idea that Ibanez Mikro 5 string might very well have my name on it. I can;t find one to actually hold, but my heart tells me that is where its at, and that I am ready to commit to ordering one, Suddenly all the vocabulary seemed to coalesce into something I could understand in the context of that particular bass guitar. I even love the way it looks.

I want. THAT one.

And it's my birthday (Aug 16th - close enough.) I haven't even closed the tab on the browser with it in my shopping cart ever since. It's still open now... waiting.

For what, then?

*sigh* *shakes head*

I had forgotten why I never did get around to trying this sooner, which had a lot to do with the fact that when I did look into it before, the instrument choice was secondary to the primary overload - AMPLIFIERS and EQUIPMENT. GOOD GRIEF! I can't sort out any of that. And the only reason I am not buying the Mikro right now is because I don't know if I need to grab a cheap practice amp to go with it, or if I can use any of the three that have somehow turned up at this house. (Fate has seen to it that we have acquired a little battery powered LA-5, a plug in Fender "Squire 15", and the huge Roland JC-120UT -that one from the rocker- but seriously between these showing up along with a twelve string acoustic Yamaha, the universe is really trying to tell us something about how SOMEONE living here needs to be playing guitar.)

So anyway, that is where I am at right now. I'm not getting scared off it this time though. I decided that all I need to do is figure out if I even need to grab that Eden USM Microtour amp along with the bass before I buy it. So among the first questions I meant to ask here at TB was how one can tell from specs if an amp can deal with a bass guitar input or not? If any of the ones I already have will suffice, that would be a tremendous help but I can't tell how to tell and I don't want to blow them up to find out the hard way that I need a different one.

But I figured it was only polite to introduce myself first.

Hi. I'm from Los Angeles, just turned 44 (ugh), and I can't wait to become awesome at playing bass. Because, oh yes, I DO intend to be awesome at it. I am a woman who has always wished she could sing that low, but I figure I can maybe make the guitar do it for me. I'd much rather be in the basement than the rafters.

I know that is all way too much information. But turnabout is fair play, and the guitars did it to me first.
So there.


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I've listed a few thoughts. I always like to see the big picture before I start something so I've listed how I go about playing bass. Perhaps not the correct way just what I do. I do agree with you this bass thing is something we fall in love with.

Playing by rote. Understand. I do very little of that and play from fake chord sheet music which means I compose my own bass lines as all the fake chord gives me is the lyrics and the harmonizing chord I'll need for this measure. It's a lot of fun, but, will take some getting used to.

Playing from standard notation will be easy for you..... We seem to make a choice early on as to what we will use; SN, tabs, fake chord or ear. My ear is made of tin, I don't like tab, and I never developed the skill to read SN fast enough to play from it. Can read SN, can not play from it. But, no problem as I have never had a band director hand me a sheet of standard notation sheet music, if fact, they ask if I can play from fake chord. When I say I can they tell me when and where they practice.

As we play the bass clef. 90% of the time we are pounding chord tones one note per beat to the beat of the drummer's kick drum. Can you hear the kick drum? It's a learned skill. Probably will take some listening.

Yes chord progressions, that I-IV-V stuff, is where we find the chord tones. It's here I move from rote playing and into composing my own bass lines. See a Cmaj7 chord and my fingers know R-3-5-7 chord tones of the C major scale could be involved with what I play. The song will dictate how many of those chord tones I actually put into my bass line. You can groove roots, if more is needed add them. That's the part I love.

The book Bass Guitar for Dummies is a great get started book, as is the getting started string in the general instruction section of this forum. Also in that section the music theory string will give you some help with moving away from playing by rote should you like to do that. How to get started?

If you can count to eight you can play bass guitar, yes, it is that simple, however, it is something you can study for the rest of your life.​

Have fun. Oh, by the way; welcome.
 
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Welcome to TB. Wow, that was a life story.

There's one thing I picked up on in that which I would respond to, and that's the bit about getting an Ibanez mikro because you're 5'2" and are afraid that a full-scale bass would be too big for you. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about that. There are all kinds of petite women (and men) playing full-scale basses who get along just fine. Check out Rhonda Smith, Tal Wilkenfeld, Emma Anzai, just to get started. These are not big amazon women, and they're not playing short-scales. Not that there's anything wrong with short-scale basses, they get a lot of love on the forum here. But I would really advise you against buying a bass sight-unseen off the internet on the basis of an unfounded anxiety.

The best thing to do is go into a guitar store and try out everything they have that's within your budget, and see what you like. You'll find that even among full-scale instruments there's a lot of variety in how heavy they are, how they balance (have the store lend you a strap, too), how thick the neck is, all that stuff. You're a beginner, so you don't know what you really like yet, but you do want to think about looks, feel, and sound. Sound - plug it into an amplifier and make sure it sounds like a bass, that you like the noise you get out of it. You'll find they vary. Feel - that's what I'm talking about with weight, balance, neck, etc. The bass isn't a small instrument, but you need to see what's most comfortable. Looks also matter - it sounds superficial, but they do. You want to LOVE your bass and feel like it's the coolest thing in the world. If you think it's an ugly lump you won't be as motivated to practice, so pick a bass you like the look of.

Good luck!
 
There is no time like the present, if you want to play, great. Go to the local stores, find a decent bass, doesn't have to cost a lot or be perfect. Save some money for a tuner and lessons. Yes, you can start on your own but most people will progress faster and avoid bad technique and bad habits with an instructor. No, you won't understand everything he/she is trying to teach you but some will sink in. Try to find one who can teach you some theory which is critical for bass. It is how Malcolm above can figure out a bass line by just knowing the chords. In order to do that you need to know how chords, keys, scales all work. If your teacher is just teaching you songs without explaining why or what you are playing then it is a waste of time.

Best time to be practicing is right now.
 
Thanks for the welcome and replies!

I have already started with the beginner links page and LOVE the practical ear trainer - THAT is the kind of stuff I find very useful in understanding how music is structured. Anything that will help me improve my ear is great, as I would rather be more dependent on that than any sheet music or tabulature or chord sets or whatever. I don't know if it is possible to develop a sense of absolute pitch, but I will settle for reliable relative pitch for sure.

I did tour several guitar shops in the city and unfortunately none of them had the particular instrument I was most interested in holding, but even so, I think I determined that the Mikro 5 string was probably going to be just ducky for me, even though I couldn't get one in hand. I based that on the liking of the ibanez guitars overall, and the size of the Luna tattoo short scale that I was able to try out. Though I could maybe have gone with a full scale Ibanez four string, for the price tag on the mikro 5 string, I couldn't really imagine what there would be NOT to like about it, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on that order as I was really excited about the whole idea of it more than any other that I was able to actually touch. I suppose if I hate it, I can always return it too, minus a restocking fee or something, or sell it, even if at a bit of a loss. I figure its worth the risk that I might absolutely adore it. I can't wait for it to arrive!

So it would seem I am well on my way at last - not a bad little birthday present to myself! (Though we will see if I end up quite as giddy as the Chewbacca Mask Mom did over hers, it is certainly a possibility that I might, if the actual instrument comes anywhere close to what I imagine it might be like once it arrives. I'm pretty excited about the prospect, for sure!) I'd better dig up that Rocksmith cd, too...
 
Most are born with absolute pitch, I don't think you can learn absolute pitch, but, the few people I've played with that have absolute pitch find it to be a curse. Most can not stand it if someone is flat or sharp, and end up making a pest of themselves asking that we mere mortals re-tune. Quite a few end up not being asked back... One I know of can only play with a kariokie (sp?) machine, he has worn out his welcome with all the bands in this neck of the woods. Now, relative pitch can be learned, with a lot of effort, and is good to have.

Glad you pulled the string and have your bass coming. I'm sure you will like it when it gets to you. No idea what you paid; trade in value is normally 1/2 of selling price. Good luck on a re-stocking fee. For 1/2 of the money spent, I'd just keep it as an extra - take on rainy days bass.

Have fun.
 
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Most are born with absolute pitch, I don't think you can learn absolute pitch, but, the few people I've played with that have absolute pitch find it to be a curse. Most can not stand it if someone is flat or sharp, and end up making a pest of themselves asking that we mere mortals re-tune. Quite a few end up not being asked back... One I know of can only play with a kariokie (sp?) machine, he has worn out his welcome with all the bands in this neck of the woods. Now, relative pitch can be learned, with a lot of effort, and is good to have.

Glad you pulled the string and have your bass coming. I'm sure you will like it when it gets to you. No idea what you paid; trade in value is normally 1/2 of selling price. Good luck on a re-stocking fee. For 1/2 of the money spent, I'd just keep it as an extra - take on rainy days bass.

Have fun.


"Karaoke" =)

Ya, I understand that relative pitch is actually far more practical just by the fact that most people aren't made that way and it wouldn't be of much use to be the only one in a group with an absolute, but I never really thought about how maddening it would be to have absolute pitch in terms of always being aware of everyone else's "wrongness" - particularly given it is somewhat maddening for me to deal with people who lack relative pitch precision. I can't even WATCH the American Idol type shows where the first eps are all people who can't carry a tune who think they are fabulous. Not only is that just sad to watch, but I physically get a headache from the noise after about 15 minutes. If everything were like that I would go absolutely BONKERS in about a week, tops.

But the great news is that MY BASS HAS ARRIVED!! <3 <3

I paid about the going rate, as they seem to be $199 for a new GSRM25 across the board, no matter where you order it. There would be some leeway buying a pre-owned one, I suppose, but the only one I saw available for sale second-hand carried such a steep handling fee that it ended up negating the difference between buying a new one with free shipping anyway. About the only wiggle room for getting a bargain (above and beyond the already very affordable price tag, I mean) was whatever, if any, bundled extras could be found offered with it, varying from site to site and involving any combo of metronome/tuner, guitar strap, gig bag, cables, cleaning cloths, stand, peg-winder or what have you.. There was one that included an amp, which . I ended up choosing mine from Gear Tree, as they included the Mikro Gig bag and a tuner thrown in for the same price and topped it all off with a 10% promo code for the winning value bang for my proverbial buck.

And no worries about it going back. It's PERFECT. i <3 <3 <3 IT!! Fits like a GLOVE. I knew I'd found the match for me as soon as I started to get all giddy in the Guitar Center after holding the full size GSR200 or something similar by Ibanez. The weight of it was notably lighter than the others and it felt nice in the hands, but I just felt like that 5 string had my name on it like no other... I don't even like putting it down now...

Scared up a Roland cube 30 bass amp to go with it, picking it up today and we'll see what she really sounds like too! =)

SO EXCITING!!

YAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY! =D