To address bobby Dall once again

[GregC]

I saw Loudness twice without even trying to. They opened for AC/DC, and another time Motley Crue.

Oh, I thought you saw them without trying to because they were so...loud.

 

[CaseyJ]

Here is a great pro shot set of Loudness opening for Motley in 1985. (Theater Of Pain tour)

Enjoy!

That was the tour I saw, Theatre of Pain in '85

 

[bound'n'blocked]

Three of the most popular tunes our band does are...Talk Dirty to Me, Unskinny Bop, and Nuthin' But a Good Time. Chicks dig Poison.

BnB

 

[Terrible]

I always liked the first poison album. They sold millions of records, sold out shows, merch yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who says they liked this band. Well, I did and still think their first album was a kick ass RNR album.
Now, I was curious if he used as svt so I googled and all I got was this crap about him and his antics ect. There was a tb thread that was ridiculous. Talk of wootan and all this.
I look back (I'm 42) and think about what got me into music and bass. Was it insane playing? Was it cool songs? Yes, anasthesia was so bad ass but Metallica made good music. Vai was insane but hardly memorable as songs whereas satriani had good songs.
All this said, myself and no one I know (including bass players ) care about wootan, Berlin, La rue, and all the others who are insane players yet can't seen to write a cool song. Looking back, the guys that influenced me were the simplest of players. All the tech in the world doesn't make up for cool songs... Just ask Mr Big. I LOVE Billy's playing but MB is lame as hell. Roth w Billy kicked ass.
So, point is (as its dissected and trashed) is that being simple, basic or for the song us often better than the opposite. I love bass, but if I wanna hear all the crazy poopie I'll listen to guitar. To me, bass is bass. This is all just MO.

Yep, it was an SVT amp and a B.C Rich Bass. And yes, the first Poison record is AWSOME.

The problem is (And I believe C.C Deville has spoken on this) that band was never heard from again.

The first record was a Glam-Punk BANGER! (Let me go to the show, Look What The Cat Dragged In, Talk Dirty, Cry Tough) a record totally devoted to FUN!! And a record that made you think: "Could this be the next KISS"?
Talk Dirty wasn't hair metal, it was pure Eddie Cochran/Sex Pistols. In fact, aside from the ballad, nothing on that record became a hair-metal troupe, because that's not what it was. Glitter-Punk can be tough to define, but on the first record, that was IT!

Then instead of KISS, they decided to follow the pack and start acting like Aerosmith was their biggest influence (B.S for Poison, they sounded like KISS, The Sweet, The Sex Pistols, Cheap Trick, nothing bluesy at all) and for me, from the day I heard the second record, Poison was dead to me.

Also, they are hated on, because they weren't great live. Sure they could run and jump around, but they sounded BAD.

One guitar wasn't enough and they were handicapped by the worst impediment of all...A bad drummer. A good drummer, live, can make you think a band you don't like is great. A bad drummer is death. You cannot over rate how important a drummer is to a live act, they are as important as the frontman.

Bobby Dall didn't help much either. Was he bad? I don't know about BAD but he was insufficient and lazy. Back then bass players used to hide out peddling their root notes under loud guitars, mixed into oblivion, some liked it that way. Bobby was one of those guys, he was "In a band" he wasn't a "Bass player" It doesn't take much for a real bass player to check the landscape with Poison back in the day and say "Ok, I have a lot of space to fill I'm going to have to fill in frequencies we are lacking." Bobby should have been running a dry round, thumpy sound to make up some low-end groove, then he should have split his signal into an octave, harmonizer and distortion with a volume pedal to control its blend. In this way, he could have made the band SO MUCH better live. Essentially filling in the rhythm guitar frequencies and some of the weak inconsistent kick drum foundation. But he didn't do ANY of that, he "Gug'ed" along with the standard "Tiney and tiny" sound, compressed to let the transient though then obliterate the low end. Bass players back then hardly played bass, many just played single string bad sounding GUITAR.

Any time Poison went to a guitar solo live, the band fell apart and sounded awful.

 

[The_Bass_Troll]

And this is from one of the best.

 

[The_Bass_Troll]

More importantly, did you find out what rig he actually used?

In the studio for recording the album "Look What the Cat Dragged In," Bobby used an Ampeg B-15 portoflex.

 

[The_Bass_Troll]

Then instead of KISS, they decided to follow the pack and start acting like Aerosmith was their biggest influence (B.S for Poison, they sounded like KISS, The Sweet, The Sex Pistols, Cheap Trick, nothing bluesy at all) and for me, from the day I heard the second record, Poison was dead to me.

I agree, they caved to the "KISS Sucks" syndrome pressure. I'm sure there were a couple of songs on "Open Up and Say...Ahh!" that were from the "Cat" days, like "Nothin' but a Good Time," but then they followed the trend instead of setting it.

Poison sucks because we're ~told~ they suck. I haven't read much negative criticism of Cliff Williams here, anf he's no Victor Wootan. And what killed Winger (separate thread here) was Beavis and Butthead. again, Winger isn't cool because we've been told by a couple of cartoon characters that Winger isn't cool. Back when I went to see Twisted Sister playing in bars in the late 70s, Dee Snider said, "..."Cool" is not giving a F*** what anyone else thinks is "cool"..."

Poison and Winger are "cool" because I like them; they don't make me cool, I make them cool.
Words of wisdom from Mr. Snider.