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Too "busy" on the bass?!?

I 'learned' to play bass by learning Rush songs (WAY back in the day)... had the habit, for many years, of trying to fill-in as Geddy does... many songs don't require so much... so I've learned to listen carefully to the melodic intent of a song - let the notes flow accordingly! (hope that makes sense) AND I've learned to listen to input from others... they aren't always wrong. :thumbsup:
 
Disagree. Many younger bassist are "too busy" - assuming the best about this guitar player, I'd say he's telling you to find the groove, not wank all over the tune.

A good but not diplomatic comment.

In many cases, a recording will be "stripped down" to the fundamentals of the song...Live, you'll have much more discretion.

No wonder, often live music sucks or is not up to par with the original source.

I play a lot of notes but when we went to prepare for an acoustic gig sans drummer I realized I wasn't holding the beat as tight and needed to cut back to half notes and quarters.

I like self-discipline.

Your playing on "Carolyne" is a bit too busy in places to my ear. The part where you start playing long lines higher up seems a little out of the style and it's not executed all that well at that.

But there are also parts where the guitar gets pretty far out of time and it makes the whole thing sound wonky.

A very good and diplomatic comment! :thumbsup:

I say this as someone who found the songs absolutely horrid

I've listened to your songs too...:oops:

In Carolyn the moment you play the chorus up high, it clearly messed up the guitar player as on top of playing high you get more involved rythmically and so the guitar player rush until you go back to your reggae bass line.

A valuable but not Diplomatic comment. :rollno:

This happens all the time so don't worry.
But you have to deal with it and leave your ego at the door!

An extremely Diplomatic comment! ;)


if you're a novice, you are probably playing too busy.

From what I've heard, the OP is NOT a Novice.
I would say, the OP has been playing the bass for Minimum 3 plus years.
What's more, the OP's bass-lines clearly indicate that the OP is very self-confident.

it doesn't sound busy, but it sounds like a band that's not very tight and all playing in different pockets. The reason he thinks it sounds too busy is the track is just not grooving enough. That's on him too and your drummer. Everyone needs to lock it down a little more, because this type of music has to groove hard.

Probably, the most (in my humble opinion drool) practical advice.
All (!) members of the band could benefit from the metronome(!!!). You cannot be tight if you have too many timing/micro-timing exceptions, "muddy" spots, etc...
P.S. I completely understand that the OP's band is just for fun; therefore, my comment is NOT related to the "just-for-fun" bands.

In short.
1. All musicians - (a) individually and (b) as a band - MUST "pass muster" of playing with the Metronome! :cautious:
2. It's a "grooving" business; therefore, (in my opinion :atoz: :blackeye:) each and every bar/measure should groove UNLESS, otherwise advised, and each line - the bass, rhythm guitar, drums, etc... - must pass that test.
3. Start with finding that "solid" grooving foundation - 1 or 2, or 4 bar rhythmic pattern and acquire that sense of "tight" band groove/"feel", and go from there. Make sure that all bars, all fills, runs, etc... comply with that acquired band's/song's "feel"/groove, UNLESS, otherwise advised! :unsure:

P.S. Remember the song's form/structure, which means, I would not recommend changing a rhythmic pattern (for the bass/drums/rhythm guitar/etc...) in the middle of "section" UNLESS, otherwise advised (as some ZEST, and I like it).
 
I liked your lines and found no reason to complain. I am guessing that some will agree and others won't. This is to say, its personal preference. I have always believed that a bass player should find the pocket of the song. Stepping out to solo or add variety at key moments, but not every measure. I felt like you were in that zone. Other's may disagree. If the guitarist is looking for a more country 2 count root fifth feel, then every reggae line will likely make him feel this way. It is a case of "can't we all just get along." Still, I liked your tone and the bands sound.
 
OP - in the clip of "Carolyn" that you posted, the guitarist is rushing throughout the tune. In my opinion, the song would sound better if he used a dryer tone with less reverb and a little less drive on the reggae-sounding verses.

The whole band is playing on the front of the beat a little too much for the song, IMO. You in particular could capture a much more effective reggae feel if you sit back just a bit. The drummer has to be complicit, understand what you are doing, and not follow you and allow the tempo to drag. Listen to Juan Nelson on "With My Own Two Hands" by Ben Harper to see what I mean. If you did that, I suspect your lines would no longer sound as busy.

I went to this much critical detail because the song sounded a lot better than I expected it to, and I can tell you are ready for the input. Great job.
 
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Maybe a bit OT. Apologies in advance.

I think quite a lot about the tension between serving the song and creating interest with my bass lines. My intent is to always serve the song above all else, but sometimes the arrangement is so stark (and not in a good way) that I sort of feel compelled to do more than I normally would do. I have mixed results with that.

One practical example is the acoustic guitar/bass duo. I recently auditioned for one of these situations. I dug the music (the artist had released two CDs, which were very good). I learned the songs off of the CDs, which featured full band arrangements. The whole time I'm thinking, "This may not work when I get there." Sure enough, the songs live lacked any sort of forward motion unless I modified my lines to provide it. I ended up playing busier than I really wanted to, but something had to be done.

Now I think if the guitarist had been a bit better (she was a pretty average guitarist, wacka wacka chord strumming, that's it), or had a better sense of rhythm, we could have shared responsibility for the forward motion thing. But I could tell that wasn't gonna happen, so I did what I thought sounded best for the situation. But it's not necessarily some of my best work.
 
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Im late in here but I did listen to the tunes. I like them and I like your bass tastes. JimmyM and "Whousedtoplay" thoughts are right on the mark. I think the guitarists playing stands out more to me as "busy" (or sloppy) than the bass. There is room to improve band tightness all around and that might mean a bit more grunt work and minor extractions on both sets of strings. Nice work, not to shabby for "shed" tapes.

PS good on ya for accepting criticism.
 
Juan Nelson on "With My Own Two Hands" by Ben Harper to see what I mean. If you did that, I suspect your lines would no longer sound as busy.

I went to this much critical detail because the song sounded a lot better than I expected it to, and I can tell you are ready for the input. Great job.

I love that song. Thanks for the feedback bud.
 
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I'm a little late to the thread, but after listening to the tracks I agree with the guitarist. I think the bad over powers the vocals. Especially the auto wah on "I Smoke", that was too much. And I think you have bass dialed up too high in the mix. Just my $.02.
 
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