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Trying to get the same tone from amp and PA

The two worst times to work with a band is when they are on the way up and on the way down. The band engineers often take on the attitude and ethics of the band they work for, they can become part of the other side without realizing it.

Reminds me, another bad time to work with a band is when they had a bad night the day before your gig... you pay the price for something you had nothing to do with.
 
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I've done about the same number of shows on both sides of the fence, and I have to say I've run into remarkably few problems with whoever was on the other "side". As a FOH Engineer, I always make sure I've got my stuff setup and the board programmed, and mics out and wired up - before anyone in the band walks in. When they get there, the first thing I do is talk to them face to face, shake their hand(s), talk a bit about what's up in the venue, whatever. The point is I try to start the relationship as teammates, not adversaries.

As a musician, I follow similar principles - I talk with them before setting up any gear. If it's someone I haven't worked with before, I'll explain that I have a pedalboard, and will try to send FOH a signal that's good for use in the House as is, but if they need to change stuff to make the music works, that's their job - that approach seems to get me more of my sound much better than demanding they not touch my sound. Again, I find that most FOH folks want to do a good job, and if they're competent, starting as teammates makes the gig much better for everyone. If they're incompetent, I learned long ago that I can't run FOH from the stage, and no amount of complaining will fix anything - it's always best to be nice, no matter what you run into. Even in the event that the gig turns into a musical dumpster fire, if people notice that you're doing your job as well as you can, not complaining, and are part of why it wasn't even worse, that kind of thing helps your reputation. Having a reputation of being easy to work with is a big part of getting the gigs you want, no matter if you're a musician or a tech person.
 
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I actually prefer the second. In many cases, the FOH guys for the second group tend to either be experienced folks looking for shorter trips or employees of local companies out for a rare trip.
They are usually sick of the "on the way down" poopie and can;t wait for each date to be over. They can get amazingly sour eating "band crap" from poor shows.
 
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A few years back, I worked a local date with a semi-famous rock-and-roll revival band (hint: they played Woodstock and were in the movie); their engineer told me it was his last show after 14 years, "...and needless to say, I've got quite a few 'suck' knobs I'm gonna be turning tonight." (That Gary Larson cartoon has been referenced again here recently...it's still a favorite: "Raymond's last day as the band's sound technician"... classic.)

On another occasion, I was providing SR for another semi-famous act, a duo with a 'jazzy' acoustic guitarist and a female vocalist. The guitarist had an elaborate pedal rig that also involved the singer's mic and outputted a pre-mixed stereo signal to FOH. Their FOH engineer was on his last show after a few months out and confided in me that even though he had only been dealing with one stereo input plus one effects return for the whole tour, he couldn't wait to get back to doing 40-input shows. After I sat through their sound check, I understood exactly; the vocalist sat out in the house and gave verbal instructions to the engineer on how to voice the PA to her taste, based solely on the guitarist playing solo. 45-or-so minutes of "turn 2K up 2dB, turn down 315 3db, etc." I was ready to throttle the act and I only had to put up with them for one day...their tech had had to put up with them for some 50+ dates. Many years later, I did a date with Kathy Griffin in the same venue and she skewered that particular act in her show; if you've ever seen her work, you can imagine that she was just merciless...I loved that, given that I had disliked that duo so much.

I've worked with many, many acts on their way down or just completely past it...usually those are OK dates IME, but occasionally you get some really bitter guys, either in the band or on the crew. Happily, when they drive away after the show, I don't have to think about them again...tomorrow is another day and another 'great show' will be on my horizon. ;)
 
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