Two easy solutions:
1) Set the rack on the floor next to the cabs!
2) Sell everything in the rack, buy a Shuttle Max 9.2 and a Turbotuner, and be VERY happy. You won't miss a thing except about 50 extra useless (IMO!) pounds.
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Two 2x10 cabs, vertical - one man's awakening.
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Two easy solutions:
1) Set the rack on the floor next to the cabs!
2) Sell everything in the rack, buy a Shuttle Max 9.2 and a Turbotuner, and be VERY happy. You won't miss a thing except about 50 extra useless (IMO!) pounds.
Useless? Hardly. Since my stuff weighs about three times what all the other guys stuff weighs I'm exempt from hauling PA gear!!! Thats priceless!! Although I could get sneaky and replace the 1200 with a shuttlemax and just not tell anybody. I'd still have to grunt and groan everytime I hefted that thing just to keep up appearances!
Yep and are a good work out for the arm muscles getting the second atop the first.
I tried the "skinny stack" once and never went back. Whatever the size of the gig I alway use a pair.
Generally, if you like a speaker cab, you'll like two of them even more. Adding a second matching cab is pretty much fool proof if you already like your sound.
Dude, you are really mad about that TC stuff, aren't you?Again, putting cabs in vertical configuration would have zero impact on the 'low end'. Adding a deeper voiced 210 versus a very midrangy 115 might
And, it is almost impossible to 'generalize' (as JimmyM does) about 'the sound or performance of a 210/115 rig. Just like any other cabs, there is HUGE variability across manufacturers, drivers, etc.
FYI, I didn't generalize. Have I tried every single mixed rig in the world? No I haven't. Have I tried many? Yes I have. Even tried to put one together a few years ago. Never satisfied. It varied as to the degree of satisfaction, but there was always something that put me off of it.
I've also tried horizontal vs vertical with several matched cab rigs...410's, 215's, 210's, pretty much everything but two 810's...vertical wins for me every single time. Not even close. You may like horizontal...that's fine...I don't.
Totally agreed. Do what you feel is right to get your sound, whether it's micro, lead sled, or even (gasp!) all tube.Useless? Hardly. Since my stuff weighs about three times what all the other guys stuff weighs I'm exempt from hauling PA gear!!! Thats priceless!! Although I could get sneaky and replace the 1200 with a shuttlemax and just not tell anybody. I'd still have to grunt and groan everytime I hefted that thing just to keep up appearances!
I think you owe it to science to try a vertical 2 x 810 stack. You might need a set of these to adjust your amp, though.
When you say vertical, is it with the longest side on the floor? I assume so, because I would be worried about toppling of cabs.
I am asking because I am probably going this rout on my set up.
I am asking because I am probably going this rout on my set up.
I ran a 4x10 and a 1x15 for many years. Thanks to TB, I'm now running 2 4x10's and much much happier with the sound. Made me a believer. 
KJung,
I admire and respect your knowlegde, opinions, experience and willingness to share. However...
What makes your generalizations about your experiences with equipment any more valid than Jimmy's? Does using the text-speak term "IME" in a post really make that much difference?
I seem to recall some generalizations you made in the past about fEARful cabs with which you had absolutely NO experience. And you're calling Jimmy out for generalizing on HIS experience?
Anytime you mix drivers of any kind, you get phasing issues, ie: some frequencies popping out and others cancelling. Some may interperet this as different tones or flavors. What it really does is kills parts of the sound and makes it sound very different depending on your listening position in relation to the rig. You set it up to sound good where you are, move 8ft. in some direction and it's a completely different sound. Use matching drivers, set up your sound, and you'll get that sound much more consistently across stage and audience.
came to find out that all that they said about dispersion and matching drivers is true - not just theoretically, but a noticeable reality in real-world applications.
So, until I can swing the dough for those fEARfuls, I am a bona-fide, converted, true believer in the vertical 4x10 stack, and will be using it for the duration.
+1!!!
The vertical 410 thing turned out to work well for me also, the science behind it is for real!
I've continued to "try" other speaker arrangements, (haven't run across a Earful cab yet), but I keep coming back to what sounds best for me...210's stacked as a vertical 410.
I switched to my two EarCandy BassBomb 212s stacked vertical and I've never looked back. Absolutely killer sound and I love having my cabs stacked vertical.
You post makes no sense. Comments about one particular cab (that I do have experience with) are not 'generalizations'
Making global statements based on the diameter of a driver.... well
My point is that the situation will vary GREATLY depending on the voicing, tuning and performance of each cab. One 15/210 stack might work wonderfully, and another might sound unbalanced.
The point is that the experiences posted by the OP were a bit of a mismatch with his title of 'vertical stacking' (i.e., greatly low end, etc.
If one is talking about an Eden 210XLT x 2 stack sounding better than an Eden 210XLT/115XLT, that is, of course, valid. Generalizing that to all 210/115 stacks, and ESPECIALLY seemingly indicating that difference in low end response is due to 'vertically stacking' seemed to warrant a comment.
I ran a 4x10 and a 1x15 for many years. Thanks to TB, I'm now running 2 4x10's and much much happier with the sound. Made me a believer.
As posted often, that really IS a mismatch... not so much the 15's and 10's, but rather the typically much higher SPL and power handling of four 10's versus one 15. If each are 8ohms and you are running that stack mono, the 15 is going to crap out long before the 410, unless you have one of the worst 410's combined with one of the best 15's... then even this can work OK
I know when I compare horizontal vs vertical stacking with a pair of 2x10's, the increased field of dispersion of the vertical configuration wins every time. The smaller stage footprint is an added benefit as well.
I also think stacking two of the same cab is always a better idea than mixing different cabs. Mixing different cabs can work and may sound good, but you never know how it will sound until you try it, and you may need to go through a lot of trial-and-error before you do find something that sounds good. You can always rest assured that two of the same cabs will sound good together (provided that you like the sound of the cab to begin with), and the increased dB output from the mutual coupling of the identical cabs is yet another benefit.
So there you have it....vertical stacking of identical cabs FTW!
I also think stacking two of the same cab is always a better idea than mixing different cabs. Mixing different cabs can work and may sound good, but you never know how it will sound until you try it, and you may need to go through a lot of trial-and-error before you do find something that sounds good. You can always rest assured that two of the same cabs will sound good together (provided that you like the sound of the cab to begin with), and the increased dB output from the mutual coupling of the identical cabs is yet another benefit.
So there you have it....vertical stacking of identical cabs FTW!
I know when I compare horizontal vs vertical stacking with a pair of 2x10's, the increased field of dispersion of the vertical configuration wins every time. The smaller stage footprint is an added benefit as well.
I also think stacking two of the same cab is always a better idea than mixing different cabs. Mixing different cabs can work and may sound good, but you never know how it will sound until you try it, and you may need to go through a lot of trial-and-error before you do find something that sounds good. You can always rest assured that two of the same cabs will sound good together (provided that you like the sound of the cab to begin with), and the increased dB output from the mutual coupling of the identical cabs is yet another benefit.
So there you have it....vertical stacking of identical cabs FTW!
If you add 'of the upper mids' to your dispersion comment, I agree. Nicely said. Two identical cabs are always the 'safest choice' (assuming you like the sound of a single one), and the bit of improvement in the 'bright' part of a bass tone at extreme angles to the cab (especially on stage) is a no-brainer if you have 2 x 112 or 2 x 210, and don't mind the driver close to your ear.
I agreed completely on the low end response part. But Jimmy never said anything to that effect.
I'm still trying to find ANY generalizations by Jimmy in this thread.
If you don't like Jimmy, that's fine with me. But don't use your dislike to attack him for something he didn't do.
