Two 2x10 or one 4x10?

[Ric5]

I built my own 2x10 cabs. I made them 8 ohms each so I can use 2 with my Ampeg head.

I also built a 1x18 8 ohm cab that I can use with the 2x10. Smaller cabs are easier to carry.

 

[orange joe]

Right now i'm slamming through 2 EV B210s vertically stacked.Kills it.I'm putting together a couple of BFM Simplexx 210s.Each is supposed to equal a 4x10.We'll see.My EV's are insanely loud for 300 watts each and clear to boot but Bill says I can have more for less.

 

[Liam Wald]

I'd trade my 410 for two 210s in a heartbeat

I wouldn't.
For me a 410 is much easier to move than two 210's. (AE410 = 62 lbs. AE210=40lbs.)
IMHO the difference in sound between one 410 and two 210's is negligible when playing with a band.
I have a Berg AE410 that goes to 100% of my gigs.
I have a berg AE210 that pretty much collects dust. I bought it thinking that it would be good for some smaller gigs but never use it even for small Juke Joint gigs.

 

[cchorney]

I like the flexibility of going from this:

to this:

as needed.

 

[DwaynieAD]

I wouldn't.
For me a 410 is much easier to move than two 210's. (AE410 = 62 lbs. AE210=40lbs.)
IMHO the difference in sound between one 410 and two 210's is negligible when playing with a band.
I have a Berg AE410 that goes to 100% of my gigs.
I have a berg AE210 that pretty much collects dust. I bought it thinking that it would be good for some smaller gigs but never use it even for small Juke Joint gigs.

hence why i said "my 410" it weighs 98 lbs

two 40 lb 210s would be a god send.

 

[waveman]

Well, I have both, and am starting to lean toward the 410. I have a set Avatar 210 neo's and a Carvin BRX 410. The 210's don't have wheels, the 410 does. I have been using just a 210 for small gigs and the 410 for bigger gigs. I do like the 210 vertically stacked slightly better for sound. Even though the 210's are lighter, the 410 is easier to move around due to the wheels. I have learned to adjust my amp settings for smaller gigs for volume issues with the 410, and it's working out. Either way, it comes down to preference.

 

[SteveC]

I've run 210, a pair of 210's, a 410 and 210, a 112 and a 212. I currently have no need for a big or even medium rig. I use a GB 110 combo with a 110 extension cab. Plenty for when I don't use my IEM's. I don't miss hauling gear.

Anyway, if I had to do a larger rig, I'd go with a pair of 210's. Actually, I think I'd go with a pair of 12's but that's not a choice so...
I like the flexibility of a pair of cabs, be they 210 or 12's or 15's. Just easier to use small for practice or small gigs, an during it all when you need to bring it.

 

[chadds]

A cart takes the issues out of hauling.
Hauling two cabs that you have to lift can be more of an issue than one cab.
My experience is that a 4x10 provides a fuller roar where the 2x10s stacked sound more articulate and thinner. That's not just because of being near ear level but out in the audience. That projection and more even acoustic spread toted here while scientifically correct sometimes doesn't provide fullness that may be musically significant. YMMV

 

[obimark]

Cheaper

Bingo- (2) 2x10s cost about 40-50% more than a comparable 410-

 

[Neon Blues]

210's here if 10's are your thing. Personally, I rarely have a gig where I need more than 210 due to PA's etc. and if you need a bit extra just take 2.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Right now i'm slamming through 2 EV B210s vertically stacked.Kills it.

I use to have a pair of those that I stacked vertically! These days I go for smaller and lighter, and these actually sound better than the B210 (modern technology at it's best).

 

[Space Pickle]

I wish I had 2 210s, my 410 weighs 95 pounds.

 

[Coolhandjjl]

A cart takes the issues out of hauling.
Hauling two cabs that you have to lift can be more of an issue than one cab.
My experience is that a 4x10 provides a fuller roar where the 2x10s stacked sound more articulate and thinner. That's not just because of being near ear level but out in the audience. That projection and more even acoustic spread toted here while scientifically correct sometimes doesn't provide fullness that may be musically significant. YMMV

Two woofers on the floor will give better floor coupling, that's the reason for beefier bass response. But the side by side drivers will comb and produce beaming in the frequencies about 500Hz or so, making for poor/uneven dispersion of the mids. There are a couple recent threads going on about .5 aligning a 410 cab

 

[orange joe]

Yeah bill fitzmaurice said drivers have come along way since the EVs came out(damn things are older than I am).I guess ill find out as soon as I finish building this 210.the only question is beta 10As or bp102s

 

[iualum]

Yeah bill fitzmaurice said drivers have come along way since the EVs came out(damn things are older than I am).I guess ill find out as soon as I finish building this 210.the only question is beta 10As or bp102s

A 2x210? If you're doing a high frequency & can go the extra buck twenty, then I'd do the 102s. With the 102s, you can go with 4 or 8-ohm drivers. I'd go 4-ohm so the total load from 2 boxes would be 4-ohms. If you go 10A, you need a 2-ohm-stable amp. Limits your choices & makes it more difficult to move if you want/need to in the future. You also get an extra 100 RMS/cab with the 102s, 400 vs. 300. And you get nearly double the Xmax (6.2 is a pretty respectable number). Of course, that's mitigated by the 102's relatively low 92 dB SPL .

Did you consider 212s? Curious, do you know which 12s Bill recommends for these?

 

[orange joe]

Thank for the response.I found it helful in my decision.on the forums I remember Bill daying some good things about the new delta pro 12s.I haven't ordered those plans but I looked into a 12 as that was my other choice before I settled on the 210

 

[M Sharp]

What about a 2X10 and a 2x12? What is the general size/weight difference between those two cabs?
I think TC Electronics have them in the same size box.

 

[iualum]

Thank for the response.I found it helful in my decision.on the forums I remember Bill daying some good things about the new delta pro 12s.I haven't ordered those plans but I looked into a 12 as that was my other choice before I settled on the 210

What about using the Faital 10PR300? Avatar has them for $83 (plus shipping. of course). They're $204 from www.USSpeaker.com . Pretty darned nice drivers. Probably not "officially" approved, but I can't see how they wouldn't work. And do an excellent job in the process.

 

[orange joe]

I thought the same thing about some sicas I'm going to try down the road

 

[70spbase]

2 of the Ampeg SVT 210AV cabinets are superior to 4x10. Stacked is where it's at as well. 4x10 on the floor let's your calves hear really well.