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[Runnerman]

Hey Guys. Played a festival this afternoon and used the Ash Foundation on all the half step down songs...
Panama, Boys are Back in Town, Man in the Box, Rock and Roll all Night....and a couple more I can't remember at the moment. Just a joy to play this bass. Here's a pic of her on the rack. I'll edit this post if I can get a pic of me playing her.

 

[wild4oldcars]

Hey Guys. Played a festival this afternoon and used the Ash Foundation on all the half step down songs...
Panama, Boys are Back in Town, Man in the Box, Rock and Roll all Night....and a couple more I can't remember at the moment. Just a joy to play this bass. Here's a pic of her on the rack. I'll edit this post if I can get a pic of me playing her.
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I need another foundation like I need a hole in the head, but I've always got my ear to the ground for an ash/rosewood one like yours... Really killer!

 

[tallulahsdaddy]

Funniest looking Cirrus I've ever seen...

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[Bassinthemudd]

Hey RicRiot owners, how far from the 12th fret is the standard Patriot pup? And where have you pla ed the added neck pup? (to the center of the pup if that's not asking too much)

I've searched for Ric measurements, but have come up with nothing.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[XsoGol]

Hey RicRiot owners, how far from the 12th fret is the standard Patriot pup? And where have you pla ed the added neck pup? (to the center of the pup if that's not asking too much)

I've searched for Ric measurements, but have come up with nothing.

Any help is appreciated.

From what I understand (and what @bigtone23 told me), the neck pup is center-lined where the 24th fret would be and the bridge pickup is where the 36th fret would be (regardless of scale).

 

[kodiakblair]

Any help is appreciated.

Neck pickup should be around 25.5" from the nut, bridge pickup 29.75" from the nut.

 

[Bassinthemudd]

...the neck pup is center-lined where the 24th fret would be and the bridge pickup is where the 36th fret would be...

Neck pickup should be around 25.5" from the nut, bridge pickup 29.75" from the nut.

According to my calculations, these answers are equal.

Thank you, gentlemen.

 

[58kites]

Hey Guys. Played a festival this afternoon and used the Ash Foundation on all the half step down songs...
Panama, Boys are Back in Town, Man in the Box, Rock and Roll all Night....and a couple more I can't remember at the moment. Just a joy to play this bass. Here's a pic of her on the rack. I'll edit this post if I can get a pic of me playing her.
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Your Foundation looks like a brand new bass in that picture, not a 38 year old bass.

 

[bigtone23]

Hey RicRiot owners, how far from the 12th fret is the standard Patriot pup? And where have you pla ed the added neck pup? (to the center of the pup if that's not asking too much)

I've searched for Ric measurements, but have come up with nothing.

Any help is appreciated.

FWIW, the Ric (at 33.25" scale) has the pickups centered at 24 3/8" and 29 1/4" from the nut. These were taken from my friend's '74 4001.
Which translates to roughly 24 7/8" and 29 7/8" from the nut at 34" scale.
My stock Patriot pickup is 29 5/8" from the nut. The neck pickup is 25 3/8" from the nut.

 

[AudioTaper]

Passive PJ Millennium 4 string? Not affiliated
Peavey Millennium USA Early 2000s - Black Peavey Millennium USA Early 2000s - Black | Reverb

 

[Bassinthemudd]

FWIW, the Ric (at 33.25" scale) has the pickups centered at 24 3/8" and 29 1/4" from the nut. These were taken from my friend's '74 4001.
Which translates to roughly 24 7/8" and 29 7/8" from the nut at 34" scale.
My stock Patriot pickup is 29 5/8" from the nut. The neck pickup is 25 3/8" from the nut.

Thanks, bigtone.

This is consistent with the responses I've gotten over at the Rickenbacker Club. The 4003 has it's pups placed at the 24th and 36th fret locations, but other models are a little bit different than that.

For anyone with multiple RicRiots, have you varied the location of the neck pup? If yes, do you hear much difference?

 

[kodiakblair]

@AudioTaper
Is that the same one that spent 6 years listed on ebay?

 

[AudioTaper]

@AudioTaper
Is that the same one that spent 6 years listed on ebay?

Not sure

 

[bigtone23]

Thanks, bigtone.

This is consistent with the responses I've gotten over at the Rickenbacker Club. The 4003 has it's pups placed at the 24th and 36th fret locations, but other models are a little bit different than that.

For anyone with multiple RicRiots, have you varied the location of the neck pup? If yes, do you hear much difference?

For mine, there were 3 things considered in it's location.
-Putting the pickup under the 36th fret
-Having the pickup visually line up with the pickguard
--Having the pickup clear the neck pocket and leaving some supportive wood intact
In the end, the pickup on my RicRiot is not directly centered at the 36th fret, but just off center. It's perfectly lined up with the pickguard and there is about 3/8" inch of body wood separating the rout and neck pocket.

In my experiences, the further the pickup gets from the bridge, the effect on it's sound is sort of smoothed over. Pickups near the end of the neck have particularly more leeway. As long as the '36th fret' zone is in the magnetic field of the pickup, it's harmonic signature will be intact. The bridge pickup of a Patriot is nudged just a touch neckward vs the Ric (about 1/4"), but it's so close that it still sounds Ric.

 

[Runnerman]

For mine, there were 3 things considered in it's location.
-Putting the pickup under the 36th fret
-Having the pickup visually line up with the pickguard
--Having the pickup clear the neck pocket and leaving some supportive wood intact
In the end, the pickup on my RicRiot is not directly centered at the 36th fret, but just off center. It's perfectly lined up with the pickguard and there is about 3/8" inch of body wood separating the rout and neck pocket.

In my experiences, the further the pickup gets from the bridge, the effect on it's sound is sort of smoothed over. Pickups near the end of the neck have particularly more leeway. As long as the '36th fret' zone is in the magnetic field of the pickup, it's harmonic signature will be intact. The bridge pickup of a Patriot is nudged just a touch neckward vs the Ric (about 1/4"), but it's so close that it still sounds Ric.

This always confounds me with the marketing of the Patriot. Was it supposed to be a P with a Super Ferrite? Sometimes I think that with the wide neck versions. But they already had the "P Slayer" in the Gen2 Fury. Or was it targeted to the Ric sound? Or was it something else all together that Peavey was after?

 

[XsoGol]

This always confounds me with the marketing of the Patriot. Was it supposed to be a P with a Super Ferrite? Sometimes I think that with the wide neck versions. But they already had the "P Slayer" in the Gen2 Fury. Or was it targeted to the Ric sound? Or was it something else all together that Peavey was after?

The marketing definitely was odd.

I wonder if what Hartley was going for was a cross between a passive P and the Stingray. The Ric bridge pickup position has roughly the same centerline as the MusicMan sweetspot (again, thanks @bigtone23!) and that sweet spot is also just slightly below the P pickup position...perhaps the best of all worlds? Not sure, but the damn thing works great in my opinion!

 

[XsoGol]

The marketing definitely was odd.

I wonder if what Hartley was going for was a cross between a passive P and the Stingray. The Ric bridge pickup position has roughly the same centerline as the MusicMan sweetspot (again, thanks @bigtone23!) and that sweet spot is also just slightly below the P pickup position...perhaps the best of all worlds? Not sure, but the damn thing works great in my opinion!

I mean...a passive pickup in roughly that position worked pretty damn well for Pete Steele (R.I.P.) too...

If materials are to be believed, those solid colored Patriots, some of which may be maple, would have similar specs (maple body and neck, passive pickup at the 36th-ish fret position (albeit a single-coil and not a humbucker), passive electronics) to his Washburn M10.

 

[58kites]

This always confounds me with the marketing of the Patriot. Was it supposed to be a P with a Super Ferrite? Sometimes I think that with the wide neck versions. But they already had the "P Slayer" in the Gen2 Fury. Or was it targeted to the Ric sound? Or was it something else all together that Peavey was after?

I think they already had a P-Slayer with the Gen 1 Fury and it's awesome Super Ferrite pickup placed it in the right location.
I feel like the Gen 2 Fury was Peavey finally caving to Fender, but with a better shaped body and the always awesome Peavey neck.
The Patriot pickup placement seems to be more of a nod to the StingRay, without committing to a MusicMan-ish pickup and a nice two-band pre.
Might have been pretty cool if they did.

 

[ctmullins]

Remember, a pickup - especially a narrow-aperture pickup like a Super Ferrite - placed exactly at the 36th fret will nullify the 2nd octave harmonic on open strings.

If you like your open-string harmonics, avoid placing pickups at those locations. Just nudge them a little bit northward or southward. Doesn’t take much; maybe a quarter inch.

 

[Runnerman]

I think they already had a P-Slayer with the Gen 1 Fury and it's awesome Super Ferrite pickup placed it in the right location.
I feel like the Gen 2 Fury was Peavey finally caving to Fender, but with a better shaped body and the always awesome Peavey neck.
The Patriot pickup placement seems to be more of a nod to the StingRay, without committing to a MusicMan-ish pickup and a nice two-band pre.
Might have been pretty cool if they did.

Yes, the Gen1 Fury was a killer too, but the Gen 2 was a silver spike in the heart of the Fender P. Beating it at its own game. LOL

Gen 1 and 2 Fury were same body shape. The T20 was the heavier more unwieldy shape (in my opinion for T20 lovers).