If we were expecting a large crowd, I would probably be making more noise. I feel like I am walking a tightrope. Our local venues are really struggling; several of the club owners are friends, also, and I know they are having a hard time with this. But I feel like a small gathering at a local pub with 25 people who are there all night probably is less exposure than the trips we make to the grocery store, which have had far more visitors in any given day. So there's risk, but perhaps not as much as I might fear. The whole thing is just hard to wrap your head around.
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Uh Oh - Maybe This Stupid Coronavirus is Having an Effect on Audience Numbers
- Thread starter CaseyVancouver
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- Mar 13, 2008
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- Endorsing Artist Mike Lull T Bass pickups, The Bass Shop, Seattle WA.
Hello All,
Please note that several duplicate threads concerning this important subject have been merged and moved to Band Management. I and other Moderators will be watching this pretty closely, we expect it to stay on topic (that is how this may be affecting you and your band) and be respectful as well as free from politics.
Thank you,
Veronica
Please note that several duplicate threads concerning this important subject have been merged and moved to Band Management. I and other Moderators will be watching this pretty closely, we expect it to stay on topic (that is how this may be affecting you and your band) and be respectful as well as free from politics.
Thank you,
Veronica
Its only lost if you sell. Never have figured out why people freak over the market. If you sit on it, it will come back at some point. And if you're waiting on retirement then most likely you're going to be sitting on it anyway.
Now if you're trying make money by buying and selling all the time, yeah, you could be in a hurt right now.
The flip side is right now is definitely a buyers market.
Yep!
Yes, but in that case you might as well just take a trip to Vegas and shove all your money into the slot machines. It's gambling, not investing.
Went ahead and canceled awhile ago for tonight -just not worth the risk for my guys :-(
True, but if you know what you're doing, your odds are still better with the market than a slot machine. And the past week with it's up and downs has presented a lot of opportunities to make a some quick cash.
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
Switzerland here. Our government issued a ban of all events with more than 100 people involved (i.e. including band members, staff, security etc.) yesterday, until 30 April, with the option of an extension. So this basically means no gigs at all until then, because nobody books a band that draws less than 100 people anyways.
This is an adjustment of a former ban – prior to yesterday, it was events up to a 1000 people that weren’t allowed anymore. We already had cancellations even with smaller bands back then, mostly by US artists. They were afraid that the US might induce harsher travel restrictions than they already have for Schengen states, and that they couldn’t get home once their tour was over. Unfounded fears as far as we can say today, but well, understandable that they’d be cautious. Who knows what sorts of additional travel bans the US might impose in the future.
I’m a freelance photo reporter in my main job, mostly doing event reporting, concert photography etc.. I’ve lost eight assignments in the past 48h. I can cope, lots of my colleagues and small businesses associated with events in general (catering, convention carpenters etc.) cannot. And event locations struggle lots, some might need to close down for good.
That’s about two “serious” weeks in. And it’s expected to peak in the next 7-10 days around here. Most experts expect a second, harder-hitting wave in October though, and perhaps a third wave come next January. So yeah, at least in central Europe, you better don’t budget with just a few weeks of lost income due to cancelled gigs in mind. This may well keep us all occupied for a lot longer than the common seasonal flu. Not due to hysteria or panicky news broadcasts I may add. But because the whole situation actually really is not a great thing to get hit with.
This is an adjustment of a former ban – prior to yesterday, it was events up to a 1000 people that weren’t allowed anymore. We already had cancellations even with smaller bands back then, mostly by US artists. They were afraid that the US might induce harsher travel restrictions than they already have for Schengen states, and that they couldn’t get home once their tour was over. Unfounded fears as far as we can say today, but well, understandable that they’d be cautious. Who knows what sorts of additional travel bans the US might impose in the future.
I’m a freelance photo reporter in my main job, mostly doing event reporting, concert photography etc.. I’ve lost eight assignments in the past 48h. I can cope, lots of my colleagues and small businesses associated with events in general (catering, convention carpenters etc.) cannot. And event locations struggle lots, some might need to close down for good.
That’s about two “serious” weeks in. And it’s expected to peak in the next 7-10 days around here. Most experts expect a second, harder-hitting wave in October though, and perhaps a third wave come next January. So yeah, at least in central Europe, you better don’t budget with just a few weeks of lost income due to cancelled gigs in mind. This may well keep us all occupied for a lot longer than the common seasonal flu. Not due to hysteria or panicky news broadcasts I may add. But because the whole situation actually really is not a great thing to get hit with.
Well, my husband just retired and I am planning to retire in about a year, so sitting on it is not totally an option for us. But we are being frugal about what we do and trying to avoid dipping in right now if at all possible.
Yes, that's a tough call. You want to be professional and keep your comittment but you want to balance the risk.
In this case though, IMO, you shouldn't feel like you're forced to play. Ultimately this is your choice, and you could influence the LS into a decision.
I have as feeling that we will know in a week or so whether we are being too cautious now, as this will subside, or not being cautious enough as this thing explodes.
Best wishes with whichever way you choose.
Yeah you're kind of in a precarious situation, but hopefully not for long. Leaving it alone as much as possible for now is definitely the best thing to do.
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- Mar 13, 2008
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All.
Please stick to the topic as I mentioned in a previous post - Next time there will be infractions.
Please stick to the topic as I mentioned in a previous post - Next time there will be infractions.
You did the right thing. I had a long chat with a friend today who is at Gates Foundation, virology background, working on a bunch of models based on spread, containment, trail of diagnosis/knowledge vs actual infection date, etc. in no uncertain terms, she told me “the sh%t is very real”. We’re in NYC area and she had a cold and can’t find a COVID test either.....
so yes, while the vector dynamic is the bigger issue at the moment, and the modeling suggests more vulnerable patients are going to have issues over the foreseeable future. She has reason to believe that the 100k flu deaths in the US per annum will be surpassed by the time this is done (model suggests we look more like Italy than S. Korea...). I’m in biotech and a number of us have been contacted about testing our technology for treatment and prophylaxis (cell vector in my case).
so long story short, plan ahead, hunker down, 20sec of warm soapy water as often as possible, and always after being at grocery, etc, Purell for when you are out without sink/soap access. And yes, hot soapy water is better than Purell. If you have any respiratory weakness or other history, are above 65, etc, take very good care of yourself, (strongly) consider a flu and pneumococcal vaccine.
Gates has some high quality info on their site as to latest and greatest knowledge.
I'd thought about a poll, but I was really interested in the brief narratives. The poll would likely have been a split between "middle 3" categories, maybe with a slight positive skew (ie, leaning toward weak effect side).
Things seemed to worsen dramatically in the past few days. My small company joined the many in Massachusetts who are working from home. We still hope our next gig in 6 weeks won't be canceled, but we're living in times of social distancing (which this ex-scientist applauds). Not exactly conducive to going to a bar to dance to a band!
As a serious hobbyist, the C-note-ish payment isn't worth the risk of getting myself or family sick. I feel for those who rely on gig income.
Central PA here. Just had a nice corporate gig canceled in Pittsburgh for end of April. Problem is lots of folks coming into town now dealing with travel issues.
Played a pub gig last night - marginally attended ... awaiting word on Tuesday’s St. Patty’s gig.
I’ve always lived by “the show must go on” but here we are.
Had to drive to Philly today to get our kid from college - classes canceled for the semester. Crazy times.
Played a pub gig last night - marginally attended ... awaiting word on Tuesday’s St. Patty’s gig.
I’ve always lived by “the show must go on” but here we are.
Had to drive to Philly today to get our kid from college - classes canceled for the semester. Crazy times.
My band has had all our gigs cancelled for now. I’m in the Seattle area and have 2 close musician friends who have tested positive and are quarantined. I’m fortunate that I still have sources of income but this will definitely be a hit in the wallet.
devnulljp
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I don't think that's how it works. Kinda like saying the fire dept will only put out fires the government likes.
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Hi,
Just marking myself safe.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Just marking myself safe.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
OK so Friday night numbers were down as people stayed home but it was still a decent audience, actually compared to the rest of the club it was huge.
Events over 500 have been cancelled, we have next Saturday with 250 pre-sold tickets so that’s still on.
I have a feeling that next month may be cancelled but no word yet. Australia hasn’t seen the top of the curve with this yet so it’s hard to tell what will happen here, keep you posted.
Events over 500 have been cancelled, we have next Saturday with 250 pre-sold tickets so that’s still on.
I have a feeling that next month may be cancelled but no word yet. Australia hasn’t seen the top of the curve with this yet so it’s hard to tell what will happen here, keep you posted.
A NYC situation report from a bartender. As a member of a stinky little bar band, I usually pay attention to what bartenders have to say. So I hope the mods will accept this. I think it directly connects to the topic of cancellation. Here's a quote:
"It’s within this context — widespread economic precarity being just barely staved off under the best of circumstances — that we must understand Mayor De Blasio’s decision not to fully close nonessential businesses. It would create massive poverty & hardship immediately, on a city-wide scale.
Still, anyone wandering the streets of a New York borough last night — an unseasonably warm early March Friday night — had to notice that basically no bars or restaurants were even making an effort to pretend to be following the new seating capacity requirements. And it’s not hard to understand why — these bars & restaurants are simply not designed to survive at max-half-capacity. It’s a death sentence in slow-motion."
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"It’s within this context — widespread economic precarity being just barely staved off under the best of circumstances — that we must understand Mayor De Blasio’s decision not to fully close nonessential businesses. It would create massive poverty & hardship immediately, on a city-wide scale.
Still, anyone wandering the streets of a New York borough last night — an unseasonably warm early March Friday night — had to notice that basically no bars or restaurants were even making an effort to pretend to be following the new seating capacity requirements. And it’s not hard to understand why — these bars & restaurants are simply not designed to survive at max-half-capacity. It’s a death sentence in slow-motion."
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