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Used bases aren't selling well.

I sold a bass here, awhile back, for $1000. The same bass (S/N visible in a pic) sold on Ebay for $1500 a few months after I sold it.

I have a Stingray HH, black cherry burst, in the classifieds for $1050 with little interest. I would prefer a sale, and its probably at 60% of new price. Last week, a used black cherry H sold for $1525 on Ebay. That one had a matching headstock, and one less pickup, if it makes a difference.

I think I need to increase my prices to a minimum of $1500, lol.
 
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Sell a bass here on TB? I ain't that brave! ;-) I could hear it now- " You said there were only 2.3 dings on the bass, and I clearly counted 3.1. It appears the truss rod was adjusted 5.7 times, and the pickup appears to be slightly low." Sorry, but we are the most picky bass fanatics on the planet, I could only imagine...

I literally abandoned an account over 5 years ago for this exact reason! God forbid you say it's in good condition and it has ANY player wear....and then I receive a bass thats been taken apart and wrapped in a bag to get through customs from a 70+ feedback member. To be fair up until that point the 4 prior years of trading went well. Rage quit lol.
 
Out of all my transactions on TB, only 3 have been disappointing, with no disasters (yet). The reality is that there is a huge variation in buyers and sellers out there, and you have to try your best to gauge the other party and protect yourself while being fair and reasonable. In the end, there is always an element of risk. That's life. I tend to price my stuff low and it always moves. I am in it for the fun of trying things out that I would otherwise not....some cost on my end is expected......but a small fraction of new. The economy is poor in most places on Earth at present. Check out Thomas Piketty's book if you want a fresh take on where we're headed, but be aware that the pessimist is often the optimist with the facts!
 
It's definitely a buyer's market. It's funny to see what sells quickly and what doesn't. I've got quite a few items up for sale. Luckily, I'm in a position where I'm not selling for economic reasons - I just have too much stuff. I've had some items go almost immediately for what I've asked. Others, some of which I expected to be popular, haven't generated any interest. Still, it is a tough dilemma. I could go to guitar center and easily get some money for my stuff immediately. It would be simpler than posting, PayPal, UPS, etc. In some cases, I might even net out more money considering all the fees from PayPal and UPS. I do like selling here though because for the people who have bought my gear, most seem to be sincerely happy to have it. They'll probably make better use of it than I was. That's really the whole point for me. I'd rather have my gear go to someone who will appreciate it. With guitar center, I'm afraid that my gear will end up with some spoiled teenager or store employee.
 
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Easy. Several factors here. (None will be popular here.)

1) Young musicians aren't trying to make money. They're trying to make it big or play whatever "core" music they like. Anything else is a "sell out". As such, many of them have no money. They are paying to play as it is. The school of thought when I was coming up was play something marketable and toss out some originals when you can. That way you make some money while writing.

2) There simply aren't as many people taking up stringed instruments in my view. When I was in high school (mid to late 80s) I would venture a guess that of the 100 or so males in my class, 75 of them had a guitar or bass and more than half of them knew how to play it somewhat. Seriously, I would guess that roughly 40% of the males in my class played guitar or bass. Not so today. Kid next door just graduated high school in a class of around 200. He only knows a couple of guitar players and no bass players. Anecdotal? Yes. Indicative of a shift? Also yes. In the early to mid 90s I kept my bass student roster full at 28-32 students and even had a waiting list at times. The guy teaching bass at the same store I taught at is a guitar and bass teacher. He feels great if he has 5 bass students and maxes out at around 18 combining guitar and bass altogether. And it's not like there are 15 bass teachers here. He is one of only a couple.

3) Live music scenes throughout the country (with rare exception) are taking a dive compared to the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. During those 25 years you could play as much as you wanted for pretty good money. These days not so much. Less money being payed out means less money to spend on gear for many of us.

4) The "music middle class" is dwindling much like other sectors of the population. A good percentage of us can afford (or simply prefer) only cheap basses. Some of us can afford $10,000 basses. And in the middle there is less and less market every year. I would argue that for every $700 Ibanez or $800 Carvin customer, there are more than a dozen $100-$200 Squier or Dean customers. So, if you have a bass listed at $500-$1,000, even if that is a fair price, there just isn't enough market to support them used along with all the other new bases in that price range.

5) Quality at lower price points has risen at a steady pace for years. These days you can actually get a playable bass for $100-200 new. Not my preference but plenty good enough for many. So, many of the new bassists who haven't been privy to our bass snobbery will reckon "Why would I buy that guy's used Stingray for $750 when I can buy an OLP that looks just like it for a couple hundred?" And then the OLP actually plays OK to them further stamping out the mid priced used market. Cuz many of them don't care what name is on the head stock.

6) The market is flooded in general. I have a CL app on my phone set to search "bass" in the musical instruments CL sections of half a dozen neighboring areas. At any given time I can find dozens of bases and amps for sale right here within a couple hour's drive. And most of my area is rural. Add to that web sites, TB classifieds, other forum classifieds, local Bargain Hunter/Trader mags, and at any given point there are literally thousands and thousands of basses for me to choose from at any given price point. The odds of someone landing on your bass here at TB are pretty slim. Your bass for sale here has a one in a million shot at being seen by someone in the market. It's like trying to find a needle in a pile of needles.

Short version: Most of the people who want a $500-$1,500 bass (new or used) have one and don't want/need another one. There are less and less of those people every year due to both economic factors and the simple fact that there are less people (particularly as a percentage of the population) wanting to take up guitar or bass. I wouldn't buy anything unless I were planning on keeping it for a while.

You have several good points and I'm going to add a little bit more to your points 1 and 5. I'm a young musician (24), I spent my late teens and early twenties playing in and eventually touring in one of said "core" bands, and I've spent a lot of time in this demographic of young and poor musicians that you're talking about. Yes, there's a lot less money to spend on quality instruments among the friends and bandmates I've had in the past, and I can't think of anyone who ever owned a guitar or bass that would cost more than $500 new (although I did get a used MIM Fender but at the time I got it, in 2007, I believe they were less than $500). Yes, improving quality on instruments has been a large factor, but another equally important factor has been said demographics willingness to tinker and learn how to modify and set up their instruments.

Everybody was playing low level LTDs and Squiers. But everybody knew how to swap out and soder pick-ups and pre-amps, and how to set-up the action and necks on these instruments, or how to swap bolt on necks, because obviously nobody could afford a set neck guitar. I can remember countless times staying up late with friends and watching youtube videos, while we had a $200 guitar lying open next to a box that had $200 pick-ups (none of which was bought new of course). But then, used value, you pick up the guitar for $140 and the pick-ups for another $120 or so, and you have a guitar for less than $300 that's going to perform similarly to something you would pay $700-$800 for.

And I know a lot of people, generally older, will say they don't see that sort of ingenuity or willingness to experiment in our generation. But its the same group of kids who drove 15 year old Hondas with 200,000 miles on them that required work to keep on the road, the same group of kids who started jailbreaking smart phones...

I've bought one new instrument, a MIA Jazz V, that I got after my honeymoon, and I can honestly say that will probably the only new instrument I ever buy, and its three or four times more expensive than any other bass I own. Is it a sweet playing bass? Yes. Is it obviously a better instrument than my MIM Jazz and VM Jazz V? Yes. Does it play $1000 better than my VM Jazz V?
No, I don't think it does.
 
Basses priced to sell tend to sell. There is a lot of unsold gear that is not worth what the owner wishes it was worth. Browse the classified and ask yourself: If I were looking for X, would I buy this one at this price? You can tell at a glance what will sell and what will not.

Just off hand, and because I'm into Jazz basses:

Early 90s MIA J bass, damaged, $875. Pass.
Mid 90s MIA J bass, $835. Pass.
2013 MIA J bass, $1050. Pass.
Mid 2000s MIA J bass with "upgrades," $999. Pass.
Late 2000s MIA J bass for trade, $950. Pass.
(There's a 2014 MIA J bass for $925 on the classifieds right now).

Mid 2000s CS '64 Jass, reliced, $2250. Pass.
Late 2000s Roadworn Jazz/P parts bass, $795. Pass.
 
And I know a lot of people, generally older, will say they don't see that sort of ingenuity or willingness to experiment in our generation. But its the same group of kids who drove 15 year old Hondas with 200,000 miles on them that required work to keep on the road, the same group of kids who started jailbreaking smart phones...

This is a great point. I'm one of the "older" folks you're talking about (I'm 47). I have a couple of teenage kids and I don't think the upcoming generation has any more or less ingenuity than any other previous generation. People are people and there's is so much variance from person to person that, to me at least, trying to assign some level of ingenuity to a particular generation is a fool's errand.

Just get the best equipment you can get within your budget and rock it the best you possibly can. The rest will take care of itself.
 
I am in strong agreement that if you want an item to sell, you need to price it to sell ... that involves some homework and study of both the product and the market, then selecting both a selling price and the appropriate market to list the item ...

.. however, (if your example is hypothetical, lets look at it) asking $1k for a 2004 American Series Jazz bass IS, in my opinion, totally unreasonable, if you want the bass to sell ... that bass sold brand new in '04 in the $650-750+ range, and in my opinion that is a very appropriate range to list that bass IF the primary reason for listing is to SELL the bass, and simply not testing the market ... that '04 AmSeries is a less sought after era, and if bought new the seller is in essence recouping his original expenditure (yes, I do understand the time value of money), and if seller has purchased the '04 used prior to sale for more $$ than that, he purchased poorly ... this is a perfect example of what I eluded to in post #61 ... an '04 AmSeries should not be expected to sell used at a price comparable (even higher in some cases) as a 2012-2014 American Standard (which would be better suited to carry the $1k tag) ... this is a lack of understanding both the market, and the item they are trying to sell ...

.. all JMHO as always ...

Couldn't agree more....

I think the time value of the money is more than compensated for the fact that you got to play the bass for 10 years....see how much you get for a TV or stereo you bought 10 years ago.
 
As far as selling stuff now, I don't have much experience. In fact I'm trying to sell my first one now - Charvel Jackson 3B on CL. Had it up there for a couple of weeks now and no bites at all. Maybe it is related to the economy in general, I don't know. I do know in Houston right now there are plenty of layoffs going around in the oil patch. I have not been affected personally but a couple of engineering types from my department were let go earlier this week. Hate to be a pessimist but I see some hard times ahead.
 
This happens every year here. There's a huge uptick in sale postings and by the time Christmas rolls around, a lot of the good stuff is gone and what remains is the stuff that the seller wouldn't budge with the price on, or stuff that people just aren't really interested in (at the moment). Like another poster said, people are tight with their cash coming into January, but the same spike will happen come tax season.

It doesn't help that TB has set its own market price on certain used items in the last 5-10 years either, meaning that that Lakland or US Fender someone is trying to move is only going to be worth what the last one sold for here, period. It's not just the MI industry, either. Retail always slumps in January.
 
If a bass is priced right, it will sell on TB or anywhere else. I have sold dozens on TB and more than a few over the last couple of years.

If he bass is very common and isn't priced aggressively at all, it won't.

Good examples? Mid-2000's MIA Fenders for $1000 or similar vintage Stingrays for $1200-1300. Being black/maple or sunburst/rosewood doesn't help.
 
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It is 100% a buyer's market. Just my opinion, of course.

The massive amount of gear available online (new and used), plus cheaper imports, plus CL, continue to drive down prices. I don't see it changing anytime soon, either. There's no reason for it to change.

Supply far exceeds demand in the world of music gear. The exceptions are vintage/rare instruments.

Also, there are less gigs or gigs that don't pay as well. I turned down a NY eve gig this year because the pay was less than I would make 25 years ago. I'm only a weekend warrior, so I don't depend on gigs to eat, but at least 1/2 of my gig money goes toward supporting my GAS. Less gig money, less GAS.
 
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Out of all my transactions on TB, only 3 have been disappointing, with no disasters (yet). The reality is that there is a huge variation in buyers and sellers out there, and you have to try your best to gauge the other party and protect yourself while being fair and reasonable. In the end, there is always an element of risk. That's life. I tend to price my stuff low and it always moves. I am in it for the fun of trying things out that I would otherwise not....some cost on my end is expected......but a small fraction of new. The economy is poor in most places on Earth at present. Check out Thomas Piketty's book if you want a fresh take on where we're headed, but be aware that the pessimist is often the optimist with the facts!
Piketty is a progressive socialist. The problem with that is you eventually run out of other peoples money.
 
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As far as selling stuff now, I don't have much experience. In fact I'm trying to sell my first one now - Charvel Jackson 3B on CL. Had it up there for a couple of weeks now and no bites at all. Maybe it is related to the economy in general, I don't know. I do know in Houston right now there are plenty of layoffs going around in the oil patch. I have not been affected personally but a couple of engineering types from my department were let go earlier this week. Hate to be a pessimist but I see some hard times ahead.

Sorry to hear about the layoffs. Here in Los Angeles the cost of gasoline at the pump has plunged, and I for one feel a little duped by the prices of eight years ago, when were told that we had reached "peak," and that the rubicon had been crossed in terms of world demand -- all these tall tales sold to us by the press to justify a price increase that turned out in the end to be just another bubble. Are there any markets not manipulated from the inside and by the press?
The U.S. economy and system does indeed seem to be getting more and more turbulent. But my lament is tempered by the knowledge that the dollar is nonetheless continuing to gain strength against other world currencies, which are doing much worse. The U.S. seems to be once again driving the world economy, albeit downward...