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Double Bass Velvet strings megathread part III

So my trail of tears with velvet strings continue. I really love animas, but I only get six months tops out of the uppers, which unwind on me around the low e and a respectively. The bass strings last forever for me. I bought a Garbo D and a Chorda G I'm going to try when I get my setup done in a week or two and I'll report back on durability and tone. In the past, I've dug the Chorda with animas so hopefully this set will be a good fit.
 
The only Velvets I've ever used are the Blues, 'cause I refuse to spend the price of the others on any string. I love them. I'm on my 2nd set now and have had them on for almost 2 years. The first lasted almost 3 before I got the urge to replace. Love the sound, no breakage. Worth a try before you abandon the brand.
 
Just put a Garbo gut G on, very strange the first time you play it but it's growing on me despite till breaking it in. Some of the notes have a wonderful tone. I was never sure about the regular garbo G. A slight plastic feel to it.
 
I replaced my Anima D and G twice over 1 1/2 years and have gone to gut D and G. No more winding separation now!

I figured it wasn't the only one having issues with the uppers. I hope the Garbo D holds up better (never had one on long term), because I really prefer the feel and sound velvet D strings to plain gut Ds on my bass. I'll probably stick with it if I can get one year, like I do with the Anima Es and As. I also have gotten really good durability from the Chorda G string due to its highly polished/heavily varnished finish. The Chorda C.H. set doesn't have the same finish, FYI, and is more natural feeling like a Gamut, which are not varnished enough for me. They all sound great though.
 
John, is it weird I kinda prefer the Lyon to the Pistoy, sound and feel wise? It was really dexterous for a gut string but something about it left me cold. Maybe I need to try a Medium or heavier one, the light+ I had was too soft, although I like the Lyon in that gauge and hated the heavy lyons. I just remembered I have this heavy gauge, heavily varnished red-dyed "Nu-Tone" D lying around that might get the call over the Garbo tomorrow when I get my bass set up...

Oh, and in Velvet news, my Anima G went after about 6 months and a couple careful on-offs, and Nuno sent a replacement. I slap and play about 5 gigs a week, though, and the bottoms are rock solid.
 
I have been using a set of Velvet Garbo strings for the last 4 months and I am pretty happy with them. It is the first time in 20 years or so that I have used anything other than gut strings. I have a large, light 7/8 flatback from about 1905, so the deep bass resonance of the instrument seems to compliment the strings quite well.


What is your bass' string length? I've tried garbos on both my big 7/8 basses and the green rope winding pulls an inch or so past the nut over the fingerboard. Can you get longer garbos I wonder?
Also while I'm here, I'd like to try an A & E Anima but will I have the same problem with the playable string length being too short, or can you get 7/8, 4/4 length Animas??
Sam
 
I doubt that you will get longer velvet strings and if the will do them for you they may get very expensive. But you still can ask Nuno. (Usually they do it in batches and don't make new ones until the current batch is sold.)

But you might be able to knot a ring of a cord to the loop end to get the playable part of the string closer to the nut. A 3 mm nylon cord should be OK for that. Just make sure you make a good knot that holds (a cross knot is OK, but do it the right way).
 
I'm trying Garbos for the first time, and i installed a light G last Monday night. Not having used these strings before i'm surprised and a little concerned about the amount of stretching the below the bridge winding is doing. Does this look normal? Should i be concerned about it breaking?
 

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I'm trying Garbos for the first time, and i installed a light G last Monday night. Not having used these strings before i'm surprised and a little concerned about the amount of stretching the below the bridge winding is doing. Does this look normal? Should i be concerned about it breaking?

That's just what they do. It looks alarming but you'll get used to it. ;)
 
Chiming in as a new Velvet Blue user...

Replaced a mixed set:
Obligato E
Obligato A
Spirocore Weich D
Spirocore Mittle E

Yeah, weird, but it is what my luthier and I came up with when I got the bass. Sounds great though, however Arco posed the challenge in sound, not actuation. Knowing the difference of sound, I was able to get a relative consistent sound. If I played more Arco (4/15 songs in a set are arco now) I would have looked for alternatives sooner.

So, I decided to try out Velvet Blues since the Obligato die on me in 4-5 months and I hit the point where all the strings needed replacement. Relationship between the spiros and obligatos is the spiros last (the sound I like) 2-3 times longer. Velvet's total tension was close to my prior setup too. Frankenstein is old (my bass) and I wanted to be easy on him since he has not been restored. The decision to try the blues was to have consistent aging strings with consistent bowing. I know I was taking a chance on these due to what I read on the Blue's arco response. Here is my impression of the blues over the week on the bass with about 10 hours of playtime.

First on:
When I first put the blues on, I didn't like them. They were much brighter than my prior setup, but my prior set was on the out, so I let them chill out on the bass. There was an annoying "Buzz" on the low E which sounded similar to a buzz when a obligato low E failed once. Sounds like a metallic bit-crusher distortion. Over the week, it has seemed to settle down. It is much more noticeable when amplified. I also tried paper shims at the nut and bridge to see if that was causing the buzz, but it didn't change anything. First pull with a bow... suck suck suck... I freaked out actually since I had a gig coming up (tonight). Nothing I could do with my 2 bows would bring an acceptable sound. The strings were really hard to start and bared the characteristics that others have commented here as far as sound go. Shrill...Terror Thriller Theme Song... I went online and ordered a cake or Kolstine's soft as another user commented even though my pops was good. Anyway, as with all "First Ons" you have to give them a chance to settle in, so that's what I did and began to pizz the bejesus out of them to teach the strings I was their boss. (laughing)

With every few songs came a tune-up. I played hard and soft, for hours to break these Blues in. The pizz sound is cleaner than my old set (listened to recordings for comparison). To Me, they had 2 distinct properties: Note and Growl. I don't know how to properly describe it, but when the strings were first put on, the Note and Growl seemed disconnected from each other. Over time they have become more connected. Perhaps this is not only the string and Frankenstein has settled in with the Blues too. I think so. I still am out if I like the low character of the string while pizzing away. Back to Arco... oof... but is has gotten better.

I have been really aware of my technique. These strings made me so angry that I threw my bow across the room.:scowl: They have to work, at least for tonight. Yesterday the kolstein rosin arrived, but before I get to that I want to share some things I noticed. After the strings did their preliminary stretch when I first put them, on to now where they ever so slightly go flat, they seem to start easier. They start differently anyway from my prior set. I'm learning this though at first it was frustrating. At my wit's end, I intentionally over-applied pops on the bow. It made a huge difference... for the better. Tightening the bow helped too. This is all so strange to me because I played both my basses with the same application of rosin and bow hair tightness and didn't have to before I changed the strings. For whatever reason, it helped me. Maybe having the rosin coat the string makes it start easier too.. There surely is a technique curve for me with these Blues and a bow. So back to the kole's rosin: It seemed harder than my pops but surprisingly, it made me feel comfortable and confident. Starts were easier and very little shrill. Placebo? Maybe, but I don't care. I do feel it actually altered the tone in the sound for the better too. It seemed to darken the sound.

All in all, I think the Blues are decent for me and my playing style. Time will tell if they will stay on Frankenstein. At least the Blues will be able to experience at least tonight's gig and another week or two to show me what they've got.
 
I'm trying Garbos for the first time, and i installed a light G last Monday night. Not having used these strings before i'm surprised and a little concerned about the amount of stretching the below the bridge winding is doing. Does this look normal? Should i be concerned about it breaking?

According to Velvet booklet you should install the string differently to your tailpiece. See picture
 

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Update:

So the gig went well last night. The D string had problems starting under the bow. The pizz was stellar once I moved the Ehrlund to a more complimentary position on the bass. What else.... kind of tired from last night....

After the set was over, the bar booker came up to me and offered me a solo gig. 4 hours for some good pay. He wants it to be primarily bowing though. A posh posh event apparently.

I will follow up one more time after I rest and pull the bass out and do a little thumping.
 
How would it matter though? over vs under? I can't see it making a difference, but I am open to reasons if it does.

I had my Garbo-gut G set strung the opposite way from the Velvet picture, and didn't feel in any way disadvantaged as a result. They've just come off, only because I've decided finally to learn how to play arco properly, and they really don't sound great under the bow. For a rich-sounding pizz-only style, though, I loved them.
 
If you install all strings the same way it doesn't make a difference (the angle of the tailpiece does differ a bit but not the angle of the string underlength).
You probably can give a string a bit more tension (specially if it is in the middle) if it comes from below the tailpiece.
If you mix with normal ball end strings and want the usual tension on each string better mount the Velvets with the loop coming from below (and the string leaving the tailpiece close to the top side of the tailpiece).
 
Quick Velvet question - I have a set of Animas that I bought second-hand but only a few weeks old. The G tuning has suddenly started to drop a hell of a lot (about a tone and a half yesterday and again today) but the tuning peg has not moved, nor has the bridge (the E/A/D are all fine) and the string's been on my bass for about 2-3 weeks now without anything like this happening before. The copper windings also seem to have developed some rough/sharp patches. Now I don't slap and am a hobbyist who plays pizz at most 30 minutes a day so these are 'babied' strings. Have I simply got a dying string?
 
Clarky - that happened to my G after the guitar player knocked over his stand during a break when the bass was on it's side. It must have really stretched the string (luckily that's the only thing the stand contacted!) I tuned it up and it kept dropping in pitch until it pulled apart where the string attaches to the fabric sleeve that goes to the tailpiece. I don't know if the same thing will happen to you but don't be surprised if it does. Perhaps the previous owner tensioned it too high at some time?