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Double Bass Velvet strings megathread part III

Hey jazzcat_13, if you have a bow quiver on your bass try tying the input jack to the upper straps of the quiver ( that hold the quiver in place, attached to your tailpiece ). This is what I do with my Realist lifeline and it works wonders + looks neat.
Unfortunately I don't have a quiver and never really liked using one. I may see if there's a way though I could mimic how you mount it.
Could someone post an arco sound sample of Anima's? I would like to hear some long tones, and also some fast 8ths notes to hear how much they bite, and if they have a lot of attack like gut. Thanks!
I'll see what I can do about audio for the Anima's. They do feel and sound fairly similar to guts, but for me I feel these strings have a really unique sound spectrum, both pizz and arco, that really bridges steel and gut strings. The new Anima G string bows really nicely and is not as tricky to bow as the previous G string. Of the whole set, the G string probably comes the closest to sounding like a gut string when it's bowed. It can have a lot of bite and does have a bit of that buzzy sound. I'm liking them a lot with what I do, which I guess you could describe as part of the contemporary jazz work (alla Steve Coleman, Anthony Braxton, Vijay Iyer, Henry Threadgil, Mary Halvorson, etc), improvised music, and so called "world music", but from what I can gather from your profile, I think the Anima's may be a good fit for you!
 
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Could someone post an arco sound sample of Anima's? I would like to hear some long tones, and also some fast 8ths notes to hear how much they bite, and if they have a lot of attack like gut. Thanks!

I've looked at this site before. I know they have sound samples for animas and for lots of other strings. You can compare the sound samples and it should give you a decent idea.

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I've looked at this site before. I know they have sound samples for animas and for lots of other strings. You can compare the sound samples and it should give you a decent idea.

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I just heard the samples. Very nice site!

Man, the pizz sound is out of this world. I've been playing guts all my life, and I prefer how the Anima sounds than gut! Too bad though there is no arco sample. But the pizz holy ****. Maybe it's worth buying another bass just to have that pizz sound :D
 
Unfortunately I don't have a quiver and never really liked using one. I may see if there's a way though I could mimic how you mount it.

I'll see what I can do about audio for the Anima's. They do feel and sound fairly similar to guts, but for me I feel these strings have a really unique sound spectrum, both pizz and arco, that really bridges steel and gut strings. The new Anima G string bows really nicely and is not as tricky to bow as the previous G string. Of the whole set, the G string probably comes the closest to sounding like a gut string when it's bowed. It can have a lot of bite and does have a bit of that buzzy sound. I'm liking them a lot with what I do, which I guess you could describe as part of the contemporary jazz work (alla Steve Coleman, Anthony Braxton, Vijay Iyer, Henry Threadgil, Mary Halvorson, etc), improvised music, and so called "world music", but from what I can gather from your profile, I think the Anima's may be a good fit for you!

Hey man thanks for the reply. I am also thinking they are a good fit for me, because I'm loving the pizz sound. I just can't find an arco sound sample! Btw, have all the breakage issues been fixed with these strings? Or do I have to worry when I buy a set?
 
Hey man thanks for the reply. I am also thinking they are a good fit for me, because I'm loving the pizz sound. I just can't find an arco sound sample! Btw, have all the breakage issues been fixed with these strings? Or do I have to worry when I buy a set?


This is about the best I can find arco sound wise for the Animas. This is a recording of a Threadgil composition "Little Pocket Size Demons" done by the Vijay Iyer trio. Stephan Crump is an endorser of Animas. There are couple of spots on this recording where he uses the bow, but he's more focused on getting certain sounds out more so than a background part or melody. Still, it gives a fairly good portrayal of the arco tone of Animas. The new G string I mentioned does sound fairly similar to older one, but it's just much easier to bow and get a consistent sound out of now.
 
I see Animas as sort of missing link between steel and gut strings. Set them lower and you get more steel-ish tone, set them higher, with G at 8-ish mm`s, and you get more gut-like tone. Garbos are as close to guts as it gets after some playing in time. Both of these slap well and Animas are more arco-friendly. Garbos bow too IME, but the nylon? -covered G is not your arco string. Bowed tone is very close to guts, arcaic, and so you have to like that sort of thing. If I were to buy Velvets, I`d get either Garbo gut -set, or Garbo EAD with Anima G, for bowability. Both sets can be very loud while beeing relatively easy on the left hand, depends on your setup. Velvet makes these with even tension across the strings.
 
Saw someone with Velvet Animas play at a club last night. The sound was glorious. I didn't get a chance to talk to the bassist but it was really beautiful sounding. I don't remember my bass sounding like that when I had them on but that was a few years ago. I've been getting really into paul chambers so the thought of grabbing some velvets (or dare I say guts) has been interesting to me. That is until i get on a gig and realize the spiros are a great all around pizz string. I don't want to take the risk of a string with breaking issues...but then again....
 
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So I ended up with Garbos on top of Evah Pirazzi weich E in my search of gut-sounding and -feeling setup, coming from plain guts set high with some low tension E-string. ( Multiple reasons for switching that I won`t write here, post gets too massive ) I decised to use these and to try to live with the bowability. I messed with my bridge a little and adjusted the individual heights for maximum bowability and great feeling tension between different strings. G is now at a hair under 8 mm`s, D is a hair under 9 mm`s, A is a hair under 10 mm`s and E.P weich E at 10 mm`s. Set up like this I get this bouncy feel with punchy oomph pizz tone. It`s loud, and as much bowable as possible with Garbos. Now I can lay my bow arm,heavily on any string without distraction from other strings. I find the D to be the most challenging with the bow, and with the high thumb positions on the G string. Not your orchestral arco sound, but I`m seeking for fairly different world of using the bow in improvisational and free stuff. If you let go the idea of getting a great clean tone you might end up with multiple different, and very usable sounds for different situations. In improvisational circles these might be the best arco string. I will keep my classical etude routines, no matter what, they sound like I played it. And have some fun with the arco too with the conventional serious practise.

Pizz and slap is almost to die for with Garbos. Smooth, bouncy, very gut-like tone and string gauges. I love that fat G string, great feel. Harmonics and intonation are spot-on with Garbos, not messy like they can be with all gut setup. The whole idea of my setup project was and is to be able to play with felaxed hands, and especially right hand. This one delivers a lot of gut stringy-tone when played with relaxed right hand and right techinque. Higher tension E string has a role in this too, it`s just easier for me to play with great tone. It`s set low enough that it doesn`t get overly growly and I can get some thumping out of it too. Then with the arco it gives a great starting point for rest of the strings, which I bow with similar technique as i was learning with full gut set, full hair and bow speed, lot`s of arm weight and more powered sounds closer to the bridge.

All in all, I was happy enough of what I heard of reharsal and gig recordings. Nice bouncy projective gutty sound and all this with lesser effort for the hands. This setup delivers truly great pizz sound and feel. It slaps just fine as I am learning more and I will wretsle the arco bear until the bear gives up :)

Not for everybody, but for what I do and wan`t to get out of a double bass, these are good. A fat old school tone that holds up acousticly whatever the electric guitarist is blowing from his tube amp, effects and diy cabinets. Loud enough fat pizz tone with a powerful beast as a dummer. Small venues, amped and on the house occasionally should be great after my switch from guts to Velvets. These amplify well and micked it`s just wonderful. Very organic and natural tone with some sustain and precision that guts just can`t handle before some serius time in the shed. And, if I ever go again to plain guts / Garbos EA / set high -setup, the lower strings will be garbos.

Now it feels motivating, can`t wait until tomorrow when it`s approppriate to start playing the thing. I have a great double bass sounding like real doghouse, and it`s a blast to play it. So easy to play in tune! So easy to play fast with strong tone. Easy to ger the fat pizz tone, I don`t have to overdo anything, just play the damn thing! Feel is very similar to all gut setup, but I can get a lot easier with slightly higher tension strings set up at reasonnable heights, not like I had my guts with G at 11 mm`s. I practised the setup a lot, but loud group sessions tore my right hand apart, it become literally a bloody mess with aching wrist.

So, Garbos and Evah E`s have become go to strings when something unespected happens. Now it`s about getting the best out of these strings, pizz, slap and arco. I love the idea that I now have my setup, rest is about making it sound great without physical damage of any kind. Kinda happy with it :) I feel that this might kick me forward to beeing the bassist needed / I wan`t to be.

Give Garbos a try if you`re looking for old school sound and relaxed playability!
 
So I ended up with Garbos on top of Evah Pirazzi weich E in my search of gut-sounding and -feeling setup, coming from plain guts set high with some low tension E-string. ( Multiple reasons for switching that I won`t write here, post gets too massive ) I decised to use these and to try to live with the bowability. I messed with my bridge a little and adjusted the individual heights for maximum bowability and great feeling tension between different strings. G is now at a hair under 8 mm`s, D is a hair under 9 mm`s, A is a hair under 10 mm`s and E.P weich E at 10 mm`s. Set up like this I get this bouncy feel with punchy oomph pizz tone. It`s loud, and as much bowable as possible with Garbos. Now I can lay my bow arm,heavily on any string without distraction from other strings. I find the D to be the most challenging with the bow, and with the high thumb positions on the G string. Not your orchestral arco sound, but I`m seeking for fairly different world of using the bow in improvisational and free stuff. If you let go the idea of getting a great clean tone you might end up with multiple different, and very usable sounds for different situations. In improvisational circles these might be the best arco string. I will keep my classical etude routines, no matter what, they sound like I played it. And have some fun with the arco too with the conventional serious practise.

Pizz and slap is almost to die for with Garbos. Smooth, bouncy, very gut-like tone and string gauges. I love that fat G string, great feel. Harmonics and intonation are spot-on with Garbos, not messy like they can be with all gut setup. The whole idea of my setup project was and is to be able to play with felaxed hands, and especially right hand. This one delivers a lot of gut stringy-tone when played with relaxed right hand and right techinque. Higher tension E string has a role in this too, it`s just easier for me to play with great tone. It`s set low enough that it doesn`t get overly growly and I can get some thumping out of it too. Then with the arco it gives a great starting point for rest of the strings, which I bow with similar technique as i was learning with full gut set, full hair and bow speed, lot`s of arm weight and more powered sounds closer to the bridge.

All in all, I was happy enough of what I heard of reharsal and gig recordings. Nice bouncy projective gutty sound and all this with lesser effort for the hands. This setup delivers truly great pizz sound and feel. It slaps just fine as I am learning more and I will wretsle the arco bear until the bear gives up :)

Not for everybody, but for what I do and wan`t to get out of a double bass, these are good. A fat old school tone that holds up acousticly whatever the electric guitarist is blowing from his tube amp, effects and diy cabinets. Loud enough fat pizz tone with a powerful beast as a dummer. Small venues, amped and on the house occasionally should be great after my switch from guts to Velvets. These amplify well and micked it`s just wonderful. Very organic and natural tone with some sustain and precision that guts just can`t handle before some serius time in the shed. And, if I ever go again to plain guts / Garbos EA / set high -setup, the lower strings will be garbos.

Now it feels motivating, can`t wait until tomorrow when it`s approppriate to start playing the thing. I have a great double bass sounding like real doghouse, and it`s a blast to play it. So easy to play in tune! So easy to play fast with strong tone. Easy to ger the fat pizz tone, I don`t have to overdo anything, just play the damn thing! Feel is very similar to all gut setup, but I can get a lot easier with slightly higher tension strings set up at reasonnable heights, not like I had my guts with G at 11 mm`s. I practised the setup a lot, but loud group sessions tore my right hand apart, it become literally a bloody mess with aching wrist.

So, Garbos and Evah E`s have become go to strings when something unespected happens. Now it`s about getting the best out of these strings, pizz, slap and arco. I love the idea that I now have my setup, rest is about making it sound great without physical damage of any kind. Kinda happy with it :) I feel that this might kick me forward to beeing the bassist needed / I wan`t to be.

Give Garbos a try if you`re looking for old school sound and relaxed playability!
I definitely agree that Velvet’s have a really unique sound for improvised music. I’m using the Animas and they provide a really cool take on extended techniques. It’s a dirty sound that can work well if you know how to use them. I’m really enjoying these strings in all there settings I find myself in too.
 
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I had Garbo Lights for a while (the only Velvets I have tried). The tension felt harder than I had anticipated, but that was comming from Rotosound 4000's. I really liked the G string, which I later actually used on top of gut strings (an opposite scenario). I decided that the Garbos were not gut-like enough, and changed to Lenzner unwound gut strings, now with a Garbo gut G on top. I would recommend the Garbo (light) synth G for people looking for something "gut-like".
 
...Added a plain gut G and half turn up from the adjusters. G is a wild one, a unwound nylon wrapped Pirastro Pizzicato. It woke up the gut side of Garbos sonically and makes the whole setup play smoother, pizz and arco. Really good, at least in the living room. Let`s see, maybe I`m after Chorda G / Garbo DA / E.P weich E I was considering at first point. The G is good, but I don`t feel too confident about it after the stripping, and I wouldn`t mind some more cojones at the reasonably low height I`m keeping it. G is now at 8+ mm`s. Anyway, it`s weird how much a single gut string affects the tone and feel of the whole setup, in a most positive way.
 
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Update on playing arco on the new Anima G string. Velvet seems to have really improved on the bow-ability of the G string. I remember the old Anima G I had for a short bit was damn near impossible. The new one took some time to get used to but now since I have a better knowledge of how these strings bow, they are really starting to sound good! I finally tried them out in a chamber ensemble and they did really well. The blend with the other bass player was nice and the articulations with this piece (an original piece by one of my friends with some complex rhythm cycle) were easy to translate. I did a recording session last night and they sounded good for that setting. I have some more next week that should give me a good picture of how the arco tone sounds recorded, so I’ll report more then! Overall the tone isn’t as bright and scratchy as I thought it would be. If you’re going to use these strings to bow any situation though you need to put in a lot of practice because these strings don’t behave like steel strings under the bow.
 
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