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Want to trigger sampled sounds from floor pedal...

ChrisB2

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Hi all, I would like to be able to record/save certain non-instrumental sounds (thunder, coins, whatever) that I can trigger using a floor pedal.

I've been doing some research and can't find the exact item that I want. I have found many ways to do this using lots of complicated MIDI hardware, but I'm envisioning a simple floor pedal with two foot switches; one would cycle through the recorded samples, the other would trigger the selected sample.

Does anyone know of a device like this or a simple way to adapt one or two pieces of gear to do this? I don't need to reproduce Rush's music, I just want to call up a simple little sound sample...

Thanks! :D
 
That's how I'm currently using it, as a sampler. Holds 99 phrases on board and can add a memory card for a lot more. Can time slow loops and when changing loops it seamlessly transitions at end of measure. Freaking total game changer!!

Same here. Knew this is what he needed even before opening the thread. :D

Very flexible, capable gizmo. I hear the software sucks, but no matter, it wouldn't run on my computer anyway (linux). Don't need it, because the SD card uses standard formatting (FAT filesystem, reads in a computer just like any USB stick or card from a camera) and the organization is clean and simple. Haven't tried to mount the built-in storage, but it's easy enough to copy patches from the SD card to the built-in storage so I just do it that way.

Each patch is in separate folder, named 01-99. The config files for each are just ordinary XML, in plain text files you can read and edit easily by hand (or with a nifty script... I have a handful of perl scripts to rebuild my entire library from scratch, save what I want to it, and print me an index of which patch is which).

Patches can be up to 10 minutes long, so you can even do backing tracks for entire songs if you want. Here's a real use example:

One song on our setlist requires full-on syth. Bassline, pads, etc. But we don't have a synth player, and aren't about to go get one just for one song. No problem.
I recorded multiple synth parts at the proper tempo, and mixed them down into a single 16 bit 44.1KHz stereo wav file. (That's a requirement, it won't play back anything else.) Edited the XML file to set the tempo to the same as the recording.

It lives on my pedalboard, and for practice at home it goes through my bass rig. But I take it out of that loop for live use, and send one of the 1/4" outs to the house instead. (If only "L" is plugged in, it gets a summed mono version of the patch.) There is a separate 1/4" out for rhythm, that goes through a headphone amp and to headphones on the drummer. When this is plugged in, both the patch and the built-in click (with an independent volume control) will be heard there.

So the FOH gets my patch, which in this case is synth backing for an entire song. And the drummer gets the same, but with a nice loud click on top of it. As long as he starts and stays with that click, we're good. It's been working great. Of course it's also great for intros, sound effects, and so on.

For fun, I've downloaded isolated instrument tracks for songs (people yank them out of the rockband/guitar hero games), and mixed them together, but without the bass. Nifty for jamming around with, either through my rig or in headphones during quiet time. (It does have a headphone jack.) Or plug in an ipod or whatever to the aux jack and do the same.

One of my favorite and most useful (on a regular basis) gear purchases, really. The only weak point... the outputs are all unbalanced. With a gizmo this flexible, it seems silly to not provide balanced TRS jacks, at least for the main outputs. Maybe there are technical reasons for that... it is just a pedal after all.

Note you can't run it off of batteries, or any typical pedal power supply. It's 9V AC, so you're stuck with the wall wart unless you have a dedicated power supply for AC stuff.
 
Wow! Way better than perfect!! Thanks for the great responses!

I've actually wanted to have something like this for a long time but gave up trying to find the gear. Thank you for your help!

No problem. :cool:

Some other handy uses:

1. Temporarily put it before everything else (effect pedals, amp, etc), and record some bass licks directly into it. Now play back those loops while fiddling with pedals, knobs, sliders, etc. Experiment with your sound toys much quicker, without having to juggle your bass in your hands at the same time.

2. Keep some prerecorded basslines in it at all times, to use for soundchecks. Walk around the room, checking out the sound (and what the soundguy is/isn't doing to it) while your rig plays it back for you. Nice to have both hands free and the bass safely in a stand onstage. (If I can, I do this right before pulling it out of my rig chain to hook up to FOH.)

Like Joe mentions, you can keep your important patches for a set on both internal memory and the SD card. If one failed for some reason, you could switch to the other. Though I have to say, it seems pretty reliable. I've intentionally abused it a little to try to get it to corrupt any data (pulling power, randomly yanking the card out and putting it back in, etc) but it just keeps ticking. There are a few things I could try that I haven't... pull the card while playing a sample from the card, maybe. Or even while recording to it. I'd expect the playback/recording to stop, but from what I've seen I don't think it'll mess up the filesystem or anything.
 
Great ideas, thanks! Love the sound check idea!

After learning about this device and checking prices online, I've seen another product listed as a "similar item," which is the Boss RC-30 Loop Station.

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The reviews on MF for the Jam Man seem slightly more positive than for the RC-30, and the RC-30 is 50 bucks more... but I know Boss is known for quality and I was just wondering if there is any reason to consider it over the Jam Man...

Any thoughts? If not I'll just get the Jam Man. Thanks again!!
 
After learning about this device and checking prices online, I've seen another product listed as a "similar item," which is the Boss RC-30 Loop Station.

Any thoughts? If not I'll just get the Jam Man. Thanks again!!

I did check that out before getting the Jam Man Stereo, and it simply didn't measure up to my set of needs, even if it were the same price. The design is heavily focused on the looping function, and maybe it's the better choice for that, maybe not. You can record/play/manage two different loops at the same time, which is cool. But as a sampler/playback machine I think it's a giant fail compared to the JamMan.

There are a lot of complaints about lag/gaps going from one phrase/patch to the next. The Jam Man is seamless. What if a backing track changes time sig or tempo, so you need to use separate patches in sequence to do the song? The Boss fails, the JamMan cruises right through.

The whole thing with sending the drummer a separate output with a click in it? The Boss can't do it. A inconvenient work around would be to build patches with click built into the right channel, and send that to the drummer. Doable, but a big pain. And you'd have no recourse if he signals you to bump the click volume. (Have done that live with the JamMan, no problem.)

No SD card, internal storage only. No backup. And either bring the computer to your pedalboard, or the pedalboard to the computer. Or yank the pedal off the board to take to the computer. Or get the longest USB cable you can (10ft) and hope it reaches. Rig already packed up and in the vehicle, then realize you forgot to drop the volume of one part of a patch by 3dB like you promised the singer? With the JamMan just do it, put it on another card, and bring it with you to load during setup. With the Boss, go dig the thing (or the whole pedalboard) out of the car.

Only 2 multifunction footswitches on the boss. And neither of them can select the next or previous sample, you gotta bend down to do that. They start/record, and stop/switch between the two current tracks (and even that requires holding it down the proper amount of time, while you're busy playing. Get it wrong, and the thing stops. :eek: ) The JamMan has separate switches for the main stuff... play, stop, next patch, previous patch. No nervous dancing around with it in mid-song.

If you select the next patch in the JamMan, nothing happens right away. If a patch is already playing, it will automatically switch to that next patch as soon as the current one finishes. If nothing is playing, it will patiently sit there blinking, waiting for you to push "play". (If you don't want it to automatically roll from a playing patch into the new one, there is a setting you can change to make it just stop and wait for you to hit "play".)

The Boss can run on batteries, but also is switched by the input jack, and doesn't come with a power supply. If you have one, great. If not, either unplug it all the time to save your batteries or buy a power supply. The JamMan comes with one, because there's no using it at all without it. (And you'll still need it, even if you have a nice DC power supply for the rest of your board. So there are drawbacks to both.)

For what you want to do, get the JamMan. I did, and couldn't be happier with it. Unless it had balanced main outs, that'd be better. It'd be nice if it could run on DC instead of AC, or even batteries. But other than that... it's pretty much perfect. For me at least.

Glad you posted in Amps instead of Effects, even though it should probably go there. I might not have seen it over there. :cool:
 
I sense one of these in my future. I've always wanted to be able to trigger Godzilla's roar during a show...

I'm totally gonna do that. :hyper:

First patch, before the first intro. Make everybody look up and go "***???".

I shoulda thought of that... my toddlers are huge Godzilla fans (OK, me too, and I'm responsible for it) and I hear it around the house regularly already. I also get to overhear them seriously debate some hilarious topics, like Godzilla vs Superman.

Thanks for the idea! Hope you don't mind me stealing it. :ninja::D
 
I did check that out before getting the Jam Man Stereo, and it simply didn't measure up to my set of needs, even if it were the same price.

What an awesome BUTTLOAD of informational comparisonism!!!

Thank you so much! You totally made the decision so easy for me, and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into helping me.

Glad you posted in Amps instead of Effects, even though it should probably go there. I might not have seen it over there. :cool:

Yeah, I thought it probably should go there but also knew I would get better response here, just never imagined how much better!!

:D
 
I hear the software sucks, but no matter, it wouldn't run on my computer anyway (linux). Don't need it, because the SD card uses standard formatting (FAT filesystem, reads in a computer just like any USB stick or card from a camera) and the organization is clean and simple. Haven't tried to mount the built-in storage, but it's easy enough to copy patches from the SD card to the built-in storage so I just do it that way.

Each patch is in separate folder, named 01-99. The config files for each are just ordinary XML, in plain text files you can read and edit easily by hand (or with a nifty script... I have a handful of perl scripts to rebuild my entire library from scratch, save what I want to it, and print me an index of which patch is which).

Patches can be up to 10 minutes long, so you can even do backing tracks for entire songs if you want. Here's a real use example:

One song on our setlist requires full-on syth. Bassline, pads, etc. But we don't have a synth player, and aren't about to go get one just for one song. No problem.
I recorded multiple synth parts at the proper tempo, and mixed them down into a single 16 bit 44.1KHz stereo wav file. (That's a requirement, it won't play back anything else.) Edited the XML file to set the tempo to the same as the recording.

This is great to know. I'd pretty much ruled out the jamman based on what I read on the digitech support forums. Lots of people seem to have problems loading pre-recorded patches there, but you seem to have it working.

Which model of Jamman were you describing here ? The stereo ?
 
Hey guys, for those of you who want to take your performance to a new level, thinkplay has developed software that allows you to map any audio or video clip to notes on your instrument for real time triggering!! Check out this video of us messing around with the software or email me directly [email protected] ...rock on