$ 750.00? Made in China?
I have this - made in USA - for the same amount
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Warwick Micro; 1000 watts 4 ohms!
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WarwickOfficial
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We currently have exclusive use of a new Class D power module that is a genuine 1000 watts at 4 ohms. Its an entirely new module, and very compact - the first one to enter the bass amp market. Many other amps use IcePower modules, the most common being 250w (at 2.7ohms) and 150w (at 2.7ohms).
To answer some of the other questions - the wood sides are real wood, not faux - and they can be removed if you want to install rack ears for a standard 19" rack mount setup.
An A/B box is required to switch between channels, which we chose to do because an internal switch would dramatically effect the tone.
The amp weighs in a 2.7kg, and was designed by Jonas Hellborg.
Retail pricing can be found here: Invalid Link Removed Please PM me for further details.
It was absolutely the star of the show at NAMM this year - please let me know if you've got any questions! Thanks!
To answer some of the other questions - the wood sides are real wood, not faux - and they can be removed if you want to install rack ears for a standard 19" rack mount setup.
An A/B box is required to switch between channels, which we chose to do because an internal switch would dramatically effect the tone.
The amp weighs in a 2.7kg, and was designed by Jonas Hellborg.
Retail pricing can be found here: Invalid Link Removed Please PM me for further details.
It was absolutely the star of the show at NAMM this year - please let me know if you've got any questions! Thanks!
Not sure why that would be true, but OK.
Anyway, I actually really like it. Probably looks a lot better in person.
This is not really true. There are two classes of ICE modules that have greatly different power ratings and designs (for example, I believe the Bergantino IP uses that 1000 watt into 4ohm ICE module). Also, you are quoting the single side (non bridged) power of the modules used in amps like Genz and GK and Aguilar.
In addition, for example, Glockenklang also yet another very high end non-ICE class D/SMPS module. Of course, there is also Walter Woods and Acoustic Image. etc, etc., etc.
I wish I had a nickel for every manufacturer who is late to the game with class D, and then says 'well, we were waiting until we could do it right'
I will never buy an amp that has a 4Ω minimum. All my cabs are 4Ω so 2Ω is a requirement for me.
I'm sure it sounds good, but it is a little shocking to see something that looks that bad from a company that, at least with their other amps, did some beautiful design work.
The Heathkit sort of thing is pretty amazingly bad IMO. I don't really get it. Maybe just a 'teaser' piece to gauge interest in a lightweight offering, and the final product will be more in line with the look of the rest of the line
Can't comment on the sound, but I think the aesthetic is really cool. I for one think the whole sleek modern thing is really cheesy. I'd rather have something that looks like it was designed by an engineer than by a car salesman any day of the week.
Only thing missing is some old school VU meters!
Only thing missing is some old school VU meters!
To my point which warwickofficial quoted... I don't know about the design points of the modules, and was not aware that so many companies use the same parts. Regardless, it's the implication that the other guys are flat out lying without giving any background that might support that assertion.... that's the type of thing that burns my biscuits. It just feels sleazy to me.
Now if I'm not mistaken, TC has a head out that was measured to not output its quoted power by a magazine (I forget which) and they got hammered. Have any competitor class D based amps been measured by the magazine (or anyone else?). What were the empirical results? Are other manufacturers really lying?
Now if I'm not mistaken, TC has a head out that was measured to not output its quoted power by a magazine (I forget which) and they got hammered. Have any competitor class D based amps been measured by the magazine (or anyone else?). What were the empirical results? Are other manufacturers really lying?
I wouldn't call any of it 'lying'. You can get to any wattage you want from just about any amp with enough heat control and if you can make the increase in THD sound good. So, kind of a moot point. LOTS more going on with these heads than the power amp module.
Even that TC amp performed up to its promise, even though they used some pretty complicated limiting, etc. to get there.
+1 to your point though. ALL this stuff sounds good, and even the heads like the GK, Genz and Aguiler micro's that use the same ICE modules all sound TOTALLY different, and all IMO and IME perform to their marketed specs in one way or the other. When manufacturers talk crap about other manufacturers, that is usually a bad sign. Better to market to your positives IMO.
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- Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
Sir, may I respectfully suggest that if you do not understand what the information contained in the IcePower data sheets mean and do not understand specifically how class D BTL technology works, you refrain from stating as fact something that is factually erroneous. You bring no creditability to the bass amplifier world when you make such inaccurate remarks, and it sounds more like marketing than technical discussion.
If, for the benefit of the other forum members, you would like to engage in a factual discussion about the application of class D technology, there are several qualified engineers here on the forum that are fully qualified to discuss the relative merits and drawbacks of the different topologies that are commercially viable.
Cool. I didn't know that Jonas Hellborg was also an EE. Killer bass player that's also an EE!
WarwickOfficial
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Me too. I have an old Onkyo with old JBL's and it sounds GREAT! As for the looks of the Warwick, I kinda like it but it would only look cool on certain style cabs, like wood or tweed.
Chef
In Memoriam
Concur.
I'm sure it sounds good, but it is a little shocking to see something that looks that bad from a company that, at least with their other amps, did some beautiful design work.
The Heathkit sort of thing is pretty amazingly bad IMO. I don't really get it. Maybe just a 'teaser' piece to gauge interest in a lightweight offering, and the final product will be more in line with the look of the rest of the line
bongomania
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That makes absolutely no sense. Any switch that would work as an external A/B can be made internal just as easily.
He's not one.
But, gee, how can you design an amp unless you're an EE?
I mean, I'm a bass player and you certainly wouldn't want me to design your amp.
WarwickOfficial
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Jonas has been fascinated with electronics for decades, and its been a passion of his for many many years. Although he doesn't have a degree that makes him an EE, he is very skilled. Bongomania is correct though, he is not an EE.
