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Warwick Streamer Pro M (made in Germany) - do I want it?

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HowieD72 said:
The standard electronics on these basses (Streamer Pro-M and Fortress Masterman are identical). Both having no push/pull pot on the volume. If it does, it will be an aftermarket preamp installed.

The push/pull pot option appears on other Warwick models like the Corvette and Thumb :thumbsup:
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How wrong I was. After thinking the preamps were both the same and told they were both the same, I found both are different. The Streamer Pro-M "DOES" have a push/pull volume. I stand corrected after adding a Streamer Pro-M to my stable and seeing it with my own eyes. Both awesome basses though regardless :thumbsup:
 
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Interesting. Doesn't say anything about a push/pull on the diagram from Warwick? Yet some say it's active/passive??? :eyebrow:

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@CakeAT92 So, when I pull the volume knob up, my Pro-M sounds thinner sounding. When pushed in, it sounds deep sounding. According to Warwick "a pull pot works thusly: pulling on the volume knob and putting it into the 'up' position bypasses the onboard preamp, which effectively deactivates the tone controls".

I hope that helps :thumbsup:
 
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HowieD72 said:
I had a Warwick Fortress Masterman (below) which had the same twin J pup & preamp. (I regret selling it!) If I was you, I'd buy it. The Streamer Pro-M and Fortress Masterman are on my GAS list. Soooooo, if you don't buy it, please let me know who's selling it :laugh: :thumbsup: If you have already bought it, ENJOY! They're a great bass!

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I managed to get my Fortress Masterman back in a trade. So, this combined with my Streamer Pro-M, I'm happy.

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I posted this at the thread I had originally responded to some time ago and reposting here.

Hello, sorry if this reply is late. I work a lot these days and not on Talk Bass as much as I used to be. My post was a while back, but I still have the Pro M's. I have three. A five string and two 4 strings. None of my three have a push pull pot. They are active all the time. Having a push pull pot, pulling up to passive mode would be nice feature incase the battery goes out in the middle of a gig. All of mine have the dual coil pan and preamp for each coil.

My experience with them they are very aggressive basses. In some circumstance they cut though too much (if that is possible) walking all over clean guitars. The 4 strings have Jazz style necks, with the five having a bigger neck but is very comfortable to play. I always get compliments sound and appearance with them when I take them out.

If you have any other questions about Pro M's let me know. I will try to help as much as I can.
 
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Bass_guy_2008 said:
I posted this at the thread I had originally responded to some time ago and reposting here.

Hello, sorry if this reply is late. I work a lot these days and not on Talk Bass as much as I used to be. My post was a while back, but I still have the Pro M's. I have three. A five string and two 4 strings. None of my three have a push pull pot. They are active all the time. Having a push pull pot, pulling up to passive mode would be nice feature incase the battery goes out in the middle of a gig. All of mine have the dual coil pan and preamp for each coil.

My experience with them they are very aggressive basses. In some circumstance they cut though too much (if that is possible) walking all over clean guitars. The 4 strings have Jazz style necks, with the five having a bigger neck but is very comfortable to play. I always get compliments sound and appearance with them when I take them out.

If you have any other questions about Pro M's let me know. I will try to help as much as I can.
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I just bought a 1997 Pro-M and was surprised to find it has a push/pull option on the volume. I always thought the Controls were identical to my 1995 Fortress Masterman which has 3 stacked concentric knobs - bass/treble for bridge, bass/treble for neck and volume/pan.
But this Pro-M I bought has only 1 stacked concentric knob (bass/treble) and 2 singles (1 pan and 1 push/pull volume).

I've found 2 different controls on the Warwick page for the Streamer Pro-M. This one (which is the same as my Fortress MM):
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and then this one:

According to Warwick "a pull pot works thusly: pulling on the volume knob and putting it into the 'up' position bypasses the onboard preamp, which effectively deactivates the tone controls".

This is what my Pro-M and another members' Pro-M has also. Very odd.

I've started "following" you and @CakeAT92 as it's good to be in touch with other Pro-M owners and users. There's not many of us.

Cheers,
Howie.
 
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HowieD72 said:
@CakeAT92 So, when I pull the volume knob up, my Pro-M sounds thinner sounding. When pushed in, it sounds deep sounding. According to Warwick "a pull pot works thusly: pulling on the volume knob and putting it into the 'up' position bypasses the onboard preamp, which effectively deactivates the tone controls".
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I triple-checked my own Pro-M:
The volume knob on the volume/pan stack is push only. There is no pull. Also, when pushed, there is no "click" as if it is actually switching something, it simply depresses in, and returns. There is a sound of clicking, as the volume knob hits the pan knob, but if you press very slowly, and make gentle contact with the pan knob, there is no click. No effect on tone. Bottom line is, there is no effect of this "push switch." I tried also with a dead battery, as someone suggested, to see if there was any mode in which the Pro-M was passive - but found none.

So, kinda strange that this knob is there at all. It's as if they didn't have a fixed stack in the factory, and threw this one on instead, with no circuitry attached to the "push switch." o_O
 
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CakeAT92 said:
I triple-checked my own Pro-M:
The volume knob on the volume/pan stack is push only. There is no pull. Also, when pushed, there is no "click" as if it is actually switching something, it simply depresses in, and returns. There is a sound of clicking, as the volume knob hits the pan knob, but if you press very slowly, and make gentle contact with the pan knob, there is no click. No effect on tone. Bottom line is, there is no effect of this "push switch." I tried also with a dead battery, as someone suggested, to see if there was any mode in which the Pro-M was passive - but found none.

So, kinda strange that this knob is there at all. It's as if they didn't have a fixed stack in the factory, and threw this one on instead, with no circuitry attached to the "push switch." o_O
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I think we both got random preamps installed in both our basses. According to @Bass_guy_2008 he got the stacked concentric knobs on all three controls with NO push/pull. That is what I always believed and knew the Pro-M came with. The exact same as the Fortress Masterman. That's why I wrote my previous post saying the Pro-M preamp is identical to the Fortress MM and has NO push/pull. I was dumbfounded when my one showed up without the 3 stacked concentric knobs. I was scratching my head :jawdrop: Makes me wonder if they were short on the original preamps at the time and just installed what they had on hand.
 
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HowieD72 said:
I think we both got random preamps installed in both our basses. According to @Bass_guy_2008 he got the stacked concentric knobs on all three controls with NO push/pull. That is what I always believed and knew the Pro-M came with. The exact same as the Fortress Masterman. That's why I wrote my previous post saying the Pro-M preamp is identical to the Fortress MM and has NO push/pull. I was dumbfounded when my one showed up without the 3 stacked concentric knobs. I was scratching my head :jawdrop: Makes me wonder if they were short on the original preamps at the time and just installed what they had on hand.
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Yeah - I zoomed in on your pic, and can clearly see there is only 1 stacked knob. So strange that you don't have tone control for each preamp. :crying: That is what makes the split-J so versatile! I bet it still sounds great though!
 
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CakeAT92 said:
Yeah - I zoomed in on your pic, and can clearly see there is only 1 stacked knob. So strange that you don't have tone control for each preamp. :crying: That is what makes the split-J so versatile! I bet it still sounds great though!
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Yes, I agree.

Yes, it still sounds good, but with the 3 x concentric stacked knobs, it will sound better! I'm in the process of sorting that out! :hyper::thumbsup:
 
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Update: I was talking via email to (Warwick/Framus owner) Hans-Peter Wilfer and gave him all the details including pictures of my Streamer Pro-M with it's unusual preamp and he said it's the standard preamp. So, I don't know how the description/diagram (below) shows what is supposed to be the standard preamp on the Streamer Pro-M, when he said mine is standard with a single knob volume push/pull, a single knob blend and 1 x concentric knob for bass/treble????

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HowieD72 said:
Update: I was talking via email to (Warwick/Framus owner) Hans-Peter Wilfer and gave him all the details including pictures of my Streamer Pro-M with it's unusual preamp and he said it's the standard preamp. So, I don't know how the description/diagram (below) shows what is supposed to be the standard preamp on the Streamer Pro-M, when he said mine is standard with a single knob volume push/pull, a single knob blend and 1 x concentric knob for bass/treble????

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Yeah, strange. The only thing that makes sense to me, is that they ran a pretty loose ship up until about 2000, when they started their registry of serial numbers, etc. So as you suggested, manufacturing may have varied, and certainly documentation has varied. To the point now where it may be impossible to determine what is "correct."

Let us know when you get your pre-amp sorted to the "correct" 2x stacked tone knobs and 1x stacked volume/blend knob!
 
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i had a couple of these over 20 years ago.
The dual stack knob is the early version, and the single vol knob version is the last year-ish end of the line before being discontinued.

I have never cared for an active passive feature on any bass. I always test my batteries and have never had one die, therefore pull-bypasses are never in my radar.
 
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mikeswals said:
i had a couple of these over 20 years ago.
The dual stack knob is the early version, and the single vol knob version is the last year-ish end of the line before being discontinued.

I have never cared for an active passive feature on any bass. I always test my batteries and have never had one die, therefore pull-bypasses are never in my radar.
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Thanks for that update @mikeswals I never knew that about the early and latter models. I even emailed Warwick boss Hans-Peter Wilfer and asked, and he couldn't even answer that question :rolleyes:

But what throws a spanner in the works is I talked with another TB member who currently owns 3 x Streamer Pro-Ms and his are 1997 & 1999 and they are all dual knob preamps. Mine is a 1997 and a single knob.

Now I'm real confused. :eyebrow:
 
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mikeswals said:
i had a couple of these over 20 years ago.
The dual stack knob is the early version, and the single vol knob version is the last year-ish end of the line before being discontinued.

I have never cared for an active passive feature on any bass. I always test my batteries and have never had one die, therefore pull-bypasses are never in my radar.
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OK, that's interesting. Mine is actually a late model, 2000, and it has the dual stacked knobs. Not sure when the last year was?
 
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