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We have too many cops.

#221
Unrepresented said:
but my whole argument is more about police officers overenforcing minor items. There's always another ordinance they'll abuse to pull me over.
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It's the minor things that they need to enforce more. The minor things just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

They do it to keep people in check. Otherwise pretty soon people will be driving 130 without any plates and whining when they get pulled over.

If it's an ordinance or a law, and you are breaking it, they are not abusing their power. Stop breaking the law.:)
 
#222
Deluge Of Sound said:
+1. Some of us have had better experiences with the police than others. It doesn't give either side the moral high ground in this debate. Whether you like excessive police presence or not, no one is going to accomplish anything by taking shots at Unrepresented.


At the same time, I remember when I had my own little unfortunate encounter with the wrong end of the law, and while a lot of the pro-police people gave me a lot of excrement for it, cheezewiz wasn't one of them. Since he's a cop instead of an armchair citizen, I think that says a lot.

So while there are an awful lot of dumb laws, and an awful lot of awesome policemen (and vice versa), its not nearly as black and white as most of the regulars in this thread make it out to be.
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I disagree. It seems about as completely black and white as any issue could possibly be. A couple of years ago I got pulled over for not having the renewal sticker on my plate. Turns out the new registration - complete with the sticker in question - was in my glovebox because I had forgotten to put it on. I basically did a facepalm, and felt dumb for wasting the officer's time and taxpayer resources. (the officer was very polite and didn't try to cite me)

Personally, I wish there were more cops on the road and laws against handheld cell phones within city limits. The only way some people are going to act responsibly is to be punished when they don't. My state doesn't have a front plate law, but I would imagine that such a law exists to make vehicles more identifiable and less "anonymous". IME, that's a good thing, since the feeling of anonymity on the road tends to make people behave much in the way that anonymity on the internet does. The difference is that it's hard to accidentally kill someone while posting irresponsibly on the internet.
 
#223
jtrow said:
It's the minor things that they need to enforce more. The minor things just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
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But, by definition, those things wouldn't be minor anymore.:hmm:
jtrow said:
They do it to keep people in check. Otherwise pretty soon people will be driving 130 without any plates and whining when they get pulled over.

If it's an ordinance or a law, and you are breaking it, they are not abusing their power. Stop breaking the law.:)
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Driving 130 is reckless and dangerous. Driving without a front plate is not.
 
#224
Chris Fitzgerald said:
I disagree. It seems about as completely black and white as any issue could possibly be. A couple of years ago I got pulled over for not having the renewal sticker on my plate. Turns out the new registration - complete with the sticker in question - was in my glovebox because I had forgotten to put it on. I basically did a facepalm, and felt dumb for wasting the officer's time and taxpayer resources. (the officer was very polite and didn't try to cite me)

Personally, I wish there were more cops on the road and laws against handheld cell phones within city limits. The only way some people are going to act responsibly is to be punished when they don't. My state doesn't have a front plate law, but I would imagine that such a law exists to make vehicles more identifiable and less "anonymous". IME, that's a good thing, since the feeling of anonymity on the road tends to make people behave much in the way that anonymity on the internet does. The difference is that it's hard to accidentally kill someone while posting irresponsibly on the internet.
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I agree to the more cops needed thing. Hand held cell phones have been illegal for quite some time while driving, and nobody is ever pulled over for them from what I've seen. I've had too many nuts on the highway, weaving in and out of traffic, passing on both sides, while talking on the phone, making life more dangerous for me.

But I'm sure when someone gets pulled over for using a cell phone, they'll complain about it too.

Cracking down on the little things has a bottom-up effect. If people get ticketed for the little things that happen frequently, they begin to realize that police are there, and don't do the big things that are less frequent. Makes it safer for everyone involved.

I know it's happened around here. Traffic is slower, people stay to the right, pass on the left. I'm liking the traffic around here much better.
 
#229
"We like to make occasional incomplete stops at empty four way intersections, or cross outside of a crosswalk if we think it's safe. Y'know, things that on paper may be illegal, but harm no one so long as we're sensible about them. People prefer a little flexibility in the laws so that things can move a little more smoothly without the rigidity of excessive attention to formalities."

-unrepresented

i tried to stay away from name calling but i think you may be remedial
 
#230
steve21 said:
The license plate law exists for no reason other than to make revenue for completely meaningless things. And if it was SO useful to have the front license plate law, it would be federal law, not state law. The "purpose" of that law is really quite unimportant, and doesn't help keep citizens safe.
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You don't understand. :D

This argument means nothing to most people, they are unable to see past the idea of "the law is the law " to see that some laws are simple ploys to generate income. Usually the people that don't see that are the same ones who complain about Big Brother taking "things" from them.

Quite funny, it is..
 
#233
steve21 said:
if you're truly taking the position that every law is 100% correct, inflexible, and unbroken by yourself, you, sir, are indeed the remedial one.
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where did i ever say that... alot of the "arguers" on this forum sure love to take things out of context..

my point is i dont bitch when i break a law and get in trouble for it

if u want to feel its okay to run stop signs, speed, change lanes without signalling, whatever.. then you must accept the consequences of ur actions

ever hear the saying "if you play with matches your gonna get burned?"
 
#234
steve21 said:
The license plate law exists for no reason other than to make revenue for completely meaningless things.
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Actually, license plate laws are primarily for vehicle identification and proof of registration.

And if it was SO useful to have the front license plate law, it would be federal law, not state law.
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No, with the exception of vehicles owned by and registered to the federal government, license plates are issued by states. Therefore, state laws apply in such cases.
 
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