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We REALLY need to stop supporting this company.

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A few weeks back I seen two signs in the front yards of adjacent houses, one read “we support unions”, the other said “we support taxpayers”. That says it all. Death by taxes or death by union? They’re fighting for essentially the same thing. Talk about the ultimate catch 22.
 
why not? unions are the way to go
Why am I not a strong supporter of unions? Because they tend to abuse their position. For instance, take a look at the union contract the police have in chicago, or the teamsters abuse of their position. IMO they have no business being involved in politics, but there they are.

Whether you agree with my position or not, you'll have a hard time changing mine. Once upon a time unions were a force for change that I agreed with, those days are mostly gone.
 
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This is incorrect. Big box stores remove ALL profits from the locale. Pay the lowest wages you can get away with, get the employees you deserve and bank the cash. It's a business plan.
This is true only if you have another local option for the goods you want to buy that will not remove profits from the locale. For example, If I buy online or travel away from my community as an attempt to boycott GC, it would be less helpful for my community than if I bought from the local GC. You still help bring money and jobs into your community, even if they do remove profit from the area.
 
well, sorry that you feel this way. its not like what you described at all in my case. no one is "unfireable"
and there will always be some lazyness in every job, but i dont see them lasting too long.
unions very
 
Probably because of their insane protection of the incompetent and lazy, making bad employees unfireable, and the fact that unions have the unions best interests in mind, not the worker either.

You have obviously never worked a Union job. They are extremely competitive because the employees are not a dime a dozen. When you get paid well, you either produce or get replaced in a heart beat by the next person looking to get paid well. But, in the non-union sector, employers can just throw warm bodies at a problem because they're so cheap.
 
We REALLY need to stop supporting this company.

Yes cause that will help out all those employees getting the shaft (sarcasm in case it doesn't translate)

It actually will help those employees because GC will either cave if they want customers, or when they go bust, some one will step into the vacuum with a lesson learned. Don't shag people, or people will shag you.
 
You have obviously never worked a Union job. They are extremely competitive because the employees are not a dime a dozen. When you get paid well, you either produce or get replaced in a heart beat by the next person looking to get paid well. But, in the non-union sector, employers can just throw warm bodies at a problem because they're so cheap.
Worked two union jobs totaling over five years. Have close friend and family members who are in or work around unions. From my personal experiences and theirs unions are more harm than good. You probably don't see it because you're one on the "problem" side.
 
I've read a few..but not all posts. The question I have is this. How many of you have worked conventional jobs for other companies that you could show up unshaved, wearing one week old unwashed clothes, stretched earlobes, tattoos and basically sit around all day and noodle, hang out and talk, and noodle some more. The arbitration thing only comes into effect if the employee actual has something that he/she deems worthy of suing the company over. Those kind of work conditions don't scream that to me. I've worked for corporate owned plants that have actual requirements of employment. I don't think there are any employees at GC really being leaned on, coerced or abused everyday by "THE MAN". Most of those employees wouldn't have lasted one day on my job site when I ran my masonry business....so before we villify the corporate monster, let's just take a.more objective look at everything to consider. I should be so lucky as to have a job where I get to basically slack off all.day long. And compared to some of the work I have done in my life...work in in a music store ain't nothing but easy ass money. Anyone who has really...and I mean REALLY worked a difficult and/or stressful job would probably agree....
 
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In a country based on the rule of law it should be. However, with the weakening of unions these types of contracts have been slowly popping up across the US. Texas has been attempting to get rid of a worker's ability to sue under worker's compensation laws. So while doing a job a worker is injured, has to go through arbitration with an arbiter chosen by the company, and that arbiter decides how much money the worker is entitled to all while serving the interests of the company. The idea that most companies are going to do the right thing by their workers out of the kindness of their hearts is about as naive a belief possible.

Yep. Employers wielding their power over over employees to stack the deck in their own favour.
 
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How would that help him exactly, short of making him $60 a month richer? If there's no union to protect him, he still wouldn't have union protection and all of those complaints he has would still stand...

The most important thing I learned from that article is that there actually IS a Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. It must be the most toothless of them all, given the poopie Walmart and Guitar Center get away with...

But even still I'll definitely be passing the info along to my friends who work retail (who have told me in the past while complaining about their jobs that there is no such thing). These things only work if people work together, after all.
Just being friendly, are you even a teacher? In Texas? We have non Union organizations that represent us here and I kinda like how it works, seems fine. Then again he's a sub, things are different for subs than teachers. Anyways back to the topic...
 
In a country that is truelly free, it is impossible to sign away your rights and the government is obligated to prosecute all rights violations. Rights are not individual. They are collective. If one person's rights are successfully violated then everyone's rights are weakened and at risk.
I don't know where you're from, but the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution addresses individual rights, NOT collective rights.
 
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If it wasn't important to the discussion then why bring it up? Why would I trust what you post on the internet? I like to look things up for myself.

Either way, you have completely ignored the points I brought up the last time I responded to you, and the fact that I've admitted I was technically wrong and should have said something about cost of living, our something along those lines, has completely escaped your mind. You either don't know how arguing works or you dodged my points on purpose. You must be a politician.

My calculator comment makes perfect sense if you include common knowledge (people who work at any guitar center get at least minimum wage) and context into your thought process. You cherry picked my comment and yanked it out of context.

I've pretty much made my point, but I'm sure you will ignore those points and continue to attack my original comment, which I have previously amended. (also ignored buy you).
What I was providing was data and context via an example about making a living at minimum wage. Your initial comment about it came across as a very flippant reply to a very difficult reality for some people. The fact is that most people on minimum wage are subsidized somehow whether by family or public assistance, and I'm sure it sucks for them.

I realize now what perspective you are coming from, but find it hard to believe you aren't aware contextually where your neighborhood fits in the larger cost of living spectrum. I didn't believe the challenge you presented over what Bay Area I was talking about was serious since the simple Google search "Bay Area average rent" would have listed any and all possible Bay Areas (with SF being the predominant result returned) and the data would agree with my statements. While I don't expect you to do research every time someone posts, I do expect you to do some of the work to validate on your own if you are skeptical and as you have indicated that you like to do anyway.
 
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